This seminar is not about XP per se, but is about the need for lightweight methodologies and discusses many of the principles on which XP is founded. If you've...
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Eric Herman
Eric.Herman@...
May 8, 2001 4:51 pm
What's the topic for this coming meeting? I can't recall what was proposed. --Eric Herman...
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JALIS,ASIM (HP-FtColl...
asim_jalis@...
May 9, 2001 12:48 am
Good question. There was some last minute disruptions in the planned talk so we're looking at possible plan B's. If anyone's interested in presenting something...
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JALIS,ASIM (HP-FtColl...
asim_jalis@...
May 9, 2001 9:11 pm
EXTREME PROGRAMMING MEETING TOPIC At the next XP meeting Eric Adams (Lante) will moderate an open discussion of these issues: * How to sell XP to upper...
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mb5828@...
May 10, 2001 6:45 pm
I just joined this list because our company is looking into XP. I want to learn more about how companies have started using XP (we are very loosly using...
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Michael Ealem
ame3618@...
May 10, 2001 7:38 pm
... They don't - programmers tend to shoot them on sight (or onsite, either one). Just kidding... ;-) In my opinion, managers exist solely to remove obstacles...
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Eric Adams
eadams@...
May 10, 2001 8:26 pm
Sounds like a great topic to discuss tonight at the meeting! See you there, Eric mb5828@... on 05/10/2001 11:45:26 AM Please respond to...
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Peter Zarich
PeterZ@...
May 11, 2001 12:37 am
Shelli, You might be interested in the following free seminar described in the attached posting to this list. Peter ... From: mb5828@......
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Peter Zarich
PeterZ@...
May 11, 2001 12:40 am
Sorry for the repetition to the whole list. I thought that I was replying just to Shelli. Peter ... From: Peter Zarich [mailto:PeterZ@...] Sent:...
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Basil Bourque
basil@...
May 11, 2001 12:52 am
on 5/10/01 5:44 PM, the nice person named Peter Zarich at PeterZ@... ... No need to be sorry. That seminar looks interesting! --Basil...
When looking at XP vs RUP, I think the biggest difference is in mindset. Ironically, it's possible to implement XP in RUP (RUP is actually a framework, not a...
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JALIS,ASIM (HP-FtColl...
asim_jalis@...
May 11, 2001 5:17 pm
I mentioned Kent Beck has a new book in progress about team-building and leadership. Here is the URL for this: ...
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Thomas Matelich
sosedada@...
May 11, 2001 7:42 pm
... There is also the xp-jobs yahoo group. Of course, its only had 5 postings. -- Thomas O Matelich Senior Software Designer Zetec, Inc. sosedada@... ...
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Jay Skeer
jaysk@...
May 15, 2001 10:28 pm
Hi, I am new to the list. I was at the last meeting, I hope to be at the next. About me and my team: My name is Jay Skeer, I am a development manager...
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Wilhelm Fitzpatrick
rafial@...
May 15, 2001 10:38 pm
... Yes, and it was a great experience. I wouldn't mind falling back on this whenever we don't have a solid topic. The one thing I would suggest is that we...
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Eric Herman
Eric.Herman@...
May 16, 2001 12:20 am
Welcome to the list! ... I've been on an "XP" team for 7 or 8 months now, and I'm not sure *I* get it. :-) Do you have someone experienced with "relentless ...
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Eric Herman
Eric.Herman@...
May 16, 2001 12:26 am
At one point I spoke with Asim of maybe doing some small just-for-fun project. Who else might be up for the idea? (I'm thinking about maybe one evening a week...
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JD Brennan
brennan@...
May 16, 2001 12:33 am
One way to do it is whenever you have a new modification to make you ask yourself: "Would it be easier to add this feature if the existing code were organized...
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Wilhelm Fitzpatrick
rafial@...
May 16, 2001 1:19 am
... Sounds interesting, and like a good way to practice. What pray tell is the board game?...
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asim_jalis@...
May 16, 2001 1:31 am
... I would be interested. Do you have a meeting place and time in mind? Asim...
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asim_jalis@...
May 16, 2001 1:41 am
... One of the things we do is saving major clean-up for after the main functionality is coded up. So "make a mess and then clean it up". This follows the...
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Jonathan Nowitz
nowitz@...
May 16, 2001 1:44 am
i would be up for something like that, especially if i wound up with a computerized version of an old out of print boardgame when we were done... /jon...
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JD Brennan
brennan@...
May 16, 2001 1:47 am
I definitely agree with getting something working and then cleaning it up later, but I think the XP method would be to not bother to clean it up later *until*...
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Jay Skeer
jaysk@...
May 16, 2001 1:59 am
Sounds like fun to me. Where, when, what language, what application? (When: I vote for Thursday nights.) If there is a lack of ideas for applications, let me...
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Jonathan Nowitz
nowitz@...
May 16, 2001 2:05 am
I agree, up to a point. Your code (production plus tests) is supposed to convey everything you want to convey about your system. "Clean" code conveys more...
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Eric Herman
Eric.Herman@...
May 16, 2001 5:28 pm
... The game I had in mind is called "WarpWar" ... I'll un-pack it and copy the blurb off the box, but the basic idea is that players move ships around the ...
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Wilhelm Fitzpatrick
rafial@...
May 16, 2001 6:08 pm
... I'm *so* there. WarpWar is a great game, and I even started writing some classes to implement the combat system about a year ago... I had visions of...
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Wilhelm Fitzpatrick
rafial@...
May 16, 2001 6:19 pm
... here you go ;) I. INTRODUCTION WarpWar is a two- or multi-player game of tactical space combat suitable for realtime, PBM or PBEM. Players build their own...
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Jay Skeer
jaysk@...
May 16, 2001 6:26 pm
Seattle area, Thursday nights, Warp-War works for me. What time? May I suggest 2000-2130? j' Jay Skeer Development Manager e: JaySk@... v: 1 425...
