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Re: [XP] Agile and CMMI

I introduced XP in the retail bank Internet group (as a six sigma project)
to solve many of the problems I saw (intra-team communications issues, long
release cycles, low customer satisfaction, etc.), and had the support of
senior executives on both tech and business. But there was a concern that
this would hurt the organization's objective to get to CMM L2 by their
deadline.

So once we were up and running (about six months after getting started,
with the help of Kent Beck and ThoughtWorks), we had our internal CMMI lead
appraiser do a baseline assessment. He was quite surprised of the results
... of the 25 or so CMMI baseline assessments he had previously done (North
America and Asia), he never had a team score as high as the XP team did.
And it certainly wasn't because of how well we followed our documented
process ... we didn't have any documented process. It was because the
discipline of XP met most of the goals of the L2 Process Areas (and got us
well on the way to L3).

We would probably have been the first group to L3 (continuous) if the
effort hadn't been derailed by the BankOne merger. (But that's another
story, best told over a beer.)

And our results? We showed a 60% drop in overall defects (80% drop in
critical defects), and 45% reduction in development costs (comparing 6 XP
releases with 4 non-XP projects of similar size, normalized by QA test
cases).

BJ


Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>:

On Sunday, November 13, 2005, at 8:54:28 AM, Bob.Jarvis@... wrote:

> While CMMI might be in conflict with values of XP, when we introduced XP
at
> Chase, our ability to easily get to CMMI L2 made it easier for the CTO to
> continue funding the effort.

Tell us more, please. Why, how, and so on.

Ron Jeffries
www.XProgramming.com
There's a difference between righteous anger and just being crabby.
--Barbara Richmond


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Yes, please I would also be interested. We have some difficulties in selling Agile to other divisions of our company although we have full support in in ours. ...
Sam Gentile
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Nov 13, 2005
4:06 pm

I introduced XP in the retail bank Internet group (as a six sigma project) to solve many of the problems I saw (intra-team communications issues, long release...
Bob.Jarvis@...
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Nov 14, 2005
3:13 pm

Great Report! Sounds like it wants to be an article... ;) Cheers, Ilja...
Ilja Preuss
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Nov 14, 2005
3:21 pm

IMHO it depends on the way the lead appraiser distinguishes the objectives of the CMMI processes and - on the other hand - the recommended practices. XP may be...
Thierry Cros
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Nov 14, 2005
3:24 pm

Are you saying that one should tailor your CMMI efforts based on who the lead appraiser will be? ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
Steven Gordon
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Nov 14, 2005
3:59 pm

Good point. One of the factors was a Lead Appraiser who understood that the key was meeting the goals of the process areas, and that there are many ways to do...
Bob.Jarvis@...
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Nov 14, 2005
3:47 pm

No, but I am suggesting that you try to find one who's understanding of CMMI is the same as yours. Steven Gordon <sgordonphd@...>: Are you saying that...
Bob.Jarvis@...
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Nov 14, 2005
6:52 pm

... My vote would be two things: Beliefs: See http://agilemanifesto.org/ (that result in different) Output: What the customer wants, not what the process says...
Ken Boucher
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Oct 4, 2005
11:53 am

... Evidently Dr. Mark Paulk from the SEI, who is one of the authors of CMM(I) still believes in Extreme Programming: ...
Dave Rooney
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Nov 15, 2005
10:59 am

Kent Beck writes... ... That XP supports being self-aware and self-improving teams from the beginning is a message worth emphasizing. I emphasize this at every...
Logan, Patrick D
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Nov 16, 2005
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