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Re: [XP] Second Edition

On 3/28/06, Aragao, Andre Augusto de (Andre) <aragao@...> wrote:
> for what I can see in the net, the
> second edition practices are not in widespread use yet, are they? Why
> not?

My opinion, and it may just be my opinion, is that though the second
edtion is a great book, it's necessary to be a black belt in Agile-Fu
in order to appreciate it. Most (a lot? some?) people are still
struggling with the basic XP moves and aren't ready for the next
level.

That's my opinion and I agree with it.

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Julio
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Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:18 pm

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Thanks Ron. A further question - for what I can see in the net, the second edition practices are not in widespread use yet, are they? Why not? ... From:...
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... My opinion, and it may just be my opinion, is that though the second edtion is a great book, it's necessary to be a black belt in Agile-Fu in order to...
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... Damn. I wish I'd said that. ;-> Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com The main reason that testing at the end of a development cycle finds problems is not that...
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... I don't know whether they are widely in use or not ... or whether they are in fact new and different practices or mere different / better phrasings of the...
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... From just looking at the table of contents (after having read the book a couple of months ago), I'd say that it's mostly "just" a different phrasing. The...
Ilja Preuss
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Hi, Sometime ago I think that Ron stated that in XP there's no role called "Architect". However, in the second edition Kent describes this role. In fact, he ...
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... I don't have the book at hand, but I don't remember that chapter to be about "these are roles on an XP team", but more about "these are roles you might be...
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There is no Architect role in XP, but that doesn't mean there isn't a role in XP for architects, not to mention interaction designers, people with mustaches,...
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... [...] ... My feeling about this new book is about XP : "embrace change" ... __ Thierry Cros _________________________________ http://www.thierrycros.net ...
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... Perfect. The tone for the second book seems to be: tailor it according to your context. This is a bright attitude, contrary to some religious attitudes...
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... Something to consider ... It seems to me that the majority of the participants on this group, who actually do XP every day, use the XPE-1E practices,...
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My team started with XP2E, so the debates on philosophical changes between versions is over my head. How important do you think it is to our group to read...
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... How are things working for you? What, if any questions or concerns do you have about how things are going? Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com Keep away from...
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Concerns/problems for a team that started XP with XP2E: * there is still a significant amount of time every week that we can't account for--let's call it...
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... I'd think that nothing in XP2E is stopping you from doing that, merely finding the will and the time. If there's something else in the way, let's talk...
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... My initial reaction to XPE-2E was that it was meant to quiet the criticism of XPE-1E. Upon further reflection, I began to think about XPE-2E as ...
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... Good point. I will have to remember this. Carlton...
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GB, It sounds like your team has made a lot of progress by applying XP. I don't understand the statement below, however. It seems to me that if a team embraces...
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... I am pretty much fearless when it comes to software development. I think that the people who work with me would say that I am all about making small ...
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... Yes and no. I have heard Kent speak on XP2E and I feel he really believes that all the practices are necessary - these are all practices that provide...
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Carlton, I've heard me speak, too (:-), and I feel that I really believe that all of the practices are valuable. Plenty of good software has been written...
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Kent, I struggled with the word "necessary" since I know the tone of XP2E is much different than XP1E. I thought "necessary" struck that balance; guess I was...
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... Frankly, I don't see any religious attitudes around here. I see some strong opinions, but those seem to be mostly rooted in experience, not believe. ...
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That was very eliciting. As we are speaking about process customization, how are you dealing with the fact that your customers are not co-located, in relation...
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... We have various coping mechanisms. All of the stories are maintained in electronic form, e.g. Excel, XPlanner, etc. We follow the ideas in Ron's article...
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