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Re: [XP] Blog about Google and Agile


On 28-Sep-06, at 9:59 AM, Paul wrote:

> http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2006/09/good-agile-bad-agile_27.html
>
> --
> Paul
>

Usual "I don't understand Agile therefore I'll bash it" crap. "C3
was cancelled, therefore XP is a failure." Rubbish.

However, there was one interesting nugget in the comments:

"You said one thing that struck me: if 90% of the teams screw up the
methodology, it's a crappy methodology. "

I don't know if I completely agree with the comment, but it did
strike me as interesting. Thoughts?

Dave Rooney
Industrial XP Coach
I n d u s t r i a l L o g i c, I n c.
http://www.industriallogic.com
http://www.industrialxp.org





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... Usual "I don't understand Agile therefore I'll bash it" crap. "C3 was cancelled, therefore XP is a failure." Rubbish. However, there was one interesting...
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It's getting a bit of press too... http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/28/1242257&from=rss There's an old saying... listen to your enemies....
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... Why do people automatically take sides and suddenly we are on "teams" with enemies (granted, his blog was inflammatory). I know a lot of people here may...
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... ???? I never said anyone was anyone's enemy... it's just a pithy saying. ;) I assumed people here would infer the principal... listen to those who...
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... No, I don't think you should have. I think the readers should breathe deeply 3 times before pressing Ctrl+R. I only needed 10 years to learn that lesson. ...
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Hello Paul, thanks for sharing your ideas. On Thursday, September ... My goal is to have fun. What's yours? Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com War remains the...
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Ron, My goal is to find the most effective way to write great software while still maintaining a personal life. ... -- Paul Email - paultsai@......
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Hello Paul, thanks for the thoughts quoted here. On Thursday, ... A worthy goal. What will it give you to find that? Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com One test...
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... From what I understand you do things to reach a goal and the goal is what you receive when you obtain it. Many people may share the same goal with...
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Hello Paul, thanks for your note. On Friday, September 29, 2006, at ... I don't think XP has a goal. I don't even think XP is a "thing", much less a thing that...
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The guy seems the think that anyone who conducts seminars, workshops, training, etc., is evil and whatever they are teaching is also evil. I know some of those...
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Hello Keith, thank you for writing. On Thursday, September 28, 2006, ... You are completely right in this instance, and in all other instances where you say...
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... [snip] I'm sure this is true - and a lot of those lovely people are on this list. Unfortunately I think that there are a /lot/ more really, really dodgy...
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... I'm soliciting volunteers to write a bot that translates Slashdot forum verbiage into wise advise. Tip: The more they scream about something, the more the...
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... I think that about 90% of the people screwed up Structured Programming and Object-Oriented Programming and RUP and XP and TDD and just about every other...
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... Much of the "Bad Agile" part is, sure. But I think there's interesting stuff to be learned from the "Good Agile" part. In particular, the following...
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There were some other things I found interesting: "Another incentive is that every quarter, without fail, they have a long all-hands in which they show every...
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... My thoughts were along this same line. It is great and everything that he is so psyched to work at Google, but does that really make the rest of the world...
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... Isn't Industrial Logic the company that taught Google XP? Chris. -- Chris Wheeler chriswheeler.blogspot.com coach, programmer & practitioner [Non-text...
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... Alistair Cockburn's paper is insane giggle makingly relevant... ...
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Process is process, arguably unable to carry characteristics or labels like good, bad, etc. People, however, and their application of a process, can certainly...
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(responding to Dave) ... So, what did the other 10% do? Did they inspect but find they never needed to adapt? Did they finish all the stories on the backlog?...
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... I suspect two things: 1) That the 90% number was pulled out of thin air. 2) That, regardless of the actual percentage, IT'S THE PEOPLE STUPID!! :) Good...
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Ken Schwaber said in a recent presentation: If you get a team of crap people and you use Scrum, they will ... ... produce crap software. But at least you know...
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No no....this is said pretty well! :-) _____ From: extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com [mailto:extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Striebeck ...
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(responding to Dave) ... Probably, given the laxity of the surrounding sentence. ... Hmm... so that 90% would be ... poor ... anyway? Doesn't matter which...
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Hello Paul, thanks for sharing your ideas. On Thursday, September ... Here's an offer. I'll come in and work with any interested Google team for a week. If...
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Ron, I might take you up on this if you find a way to work with "non-interested" teams here? We have many teams here who are using some type of agile ...
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Hello Mark, thank you for sharing your thoughts. On Thursday, ... Well, I do have some rather interesting sessions where I describe Agile as I understand it,...
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