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Re: [XP] Prime Directive

Hi Simon,

> Is that what it meant? lol.. I thought it meant something like:
> everyone is everything thing.. or people are good and bad in equal
> measure...

Maybe the value of the story is that it means different things to different
people. ;-) Kind of a theme developing in this thread.

A tangent: I used to be frustrated in conversations about certain ideas and
values that mean so many different things to different people. "Fairness"
is one that always threw me, because it means so many different things. It
looks as if the Prime Directive is one of those ambiguous ideas, too, at
least as stated in Norm's words.

A few years ago I was listening to a tape by consultant Peter Block. He
told of a conversation with Dennis Bakke, CEO of a power company called AES
that was noted for its work values. The primary company value was fun.
After Peter attended one meeting in which people expressed different ideas
about fun, and what was fun, and why fun mattered, he said to Dennis,
"People can't seem to agree what fun means. How can you have such an
ambiguous concept as your core company value?"

Dennis replied, "The ambiguity forces people to talk about the idea. That's
what makes the concept of fun so valuable."

Dale

--
Dale Emery, Consultant
Inspiring Leadership for Software People
Web: http://www.dhemery.com
Weblog: http://www.dhemery.com/cwd




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Hi Dale, Is that what it meant? lol.. I thought it meant something like: everyone is everything thing.. or people are good and bad in equal measure... I gotta...
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Hi Simon, ... Maybe the value of the story is that it means different things to different people. ;-) Kind of a theme developing in this thread. A tangent:...
Dale Emery
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May 9, 2007
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... The NLP people say, "The Meaning Of Your Communication is The Response You Get" :-) It's one of the more useful concepts... directly applicable to ...
Kelly Anderson
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Dale, Simon, I have replaced your explanations with Kelly's story, and read with my words. Now I'm confused further. Why are you doing this to me? :)) Kelly...
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Seyit, You will find what you expect and what you have experienced. Everett L.(Rett) Williams II ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
rett
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... And I think that twist can be very useful, and in a certain sense valid. It's useful because it pushes you to work against a natural human tendency to...
William Pietri
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... I don't think I even fully believe this version of the Prime Directive even when I reflect on myself. I'm occasionally lazy. Sometimes belligerent. Often...
Kelly Anderson
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May 9, 2007
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Hi Steve, I like your analysis. It does not replace judgement with blind belief. It does accept a presumption of benelovence as law has a presumption of...
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Hi, Steve! Always good to hear from you. ... Really, I think that's something we do for ourselves all the time, that belief in doing our best despite...
William Pietri
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Thank you. That is, I think, the clearest statement of the core idea I've ever heard. John Roth ... From: "William Pietri" <william@...> To:...
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From: "Steve Bate" <steve@...> To: <extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [XP] Prime Directive ... One...
John Roth
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John, Pardon me for saying so, but after you try to foist NLP on us, you really do need to cite sources. I don't necessarily disagree with you on the subject ...
rett
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... Everett, I don't think anyone is trying to "foist" NLP on anyone. There are, however, quite a few good things that the NLP people have discovered. They've...
Kelly Anderson
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Kelly, Thanks for the reference. I shall pursue it. That is a lot better than saying that it is just too complex for our limited little minds to pick up ...
rett
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... Not at all, I think anyone can pick up the basics. The NLP class I took was 8 weekends (plus half a Friday). So not years of study, but also not something...
Kelly Anderson
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... Don't worry, you're not the only one to contradict you, there are multitudes without as well.... :-)) From that book I was reviewing... Flexible Software...
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... Well, I used to know a little something about XP and I would not say that that is the essential idea, though it is an important one. Ron Jeffries ...
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... You know that. I know that. But where are the references? Oh! Sometimes I just can't resist.... so many legs in all directions, so little time for pulling....
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... How about any XP book ever written? Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com The rules are ways of thinking, not ways to avoid thinking....
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... From: "rett" <rett@...> To: <extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 2:52 AM Subject: Re: [XP] Prime Directive ... I'm...
John Roth
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At one point there was such a convention. I haven't seen it mentioned in quite a few years, but your point is quite well taken: there are other, somewhat more ...
John Roth
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... Going back more than a few years, on Usenet this was often called Godwin's Law: "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison ...
Jason Nocks
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Jason, Actually, I think John Roth may have the right of it here. Dave's approach to the PD appears to me to be authoritarian and judgmental, which is why he...
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From: "dnicolet99" <dnicolet@...> ... Some things are harder to TDD than others. Sometimes I have chosen to avoid TDD on a particular module because...
Bill Kelly
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... some ... useful ... the ... I see your point. If I understand the PD correctly, then during a retrospective your teammates would want to assume you had...
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... Bill, do you mind exploring this case further? I'm not saying (nor is the Prime Directive) that those times were your peak performance. But why, in the...
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I'd like to say that I haven't been following this thread enough to know who is taking what position, if any. Frankly, the subject bores me. It may be...
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From: "George Dinwiddie" <lists@...> ... Hmm. I suspect it varies a little on a case-by-case basis; but often the initial dilemma is that I'm...
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... [details snipped] ... Would it be fair to say that, at the time, the effort to TDD the C++ MFC dialogs seemed greater than the benefit was worth? Or...
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[NOTE: I'm re-posting this reply because it never showed up on my system. If you've already seen it, my apologies.] From: "George Dinwiddie"...
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