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Re: [XP] XP Certification?

> I pray there is not. I would find it repugnant.

I used to believe very strongly that certification goes against the
values of XP, but for a while I have been wondering if there might be
a good way to do XP certification.

I agree with the recent statement by the Agile Alliance that
certification should be mostly skills-based, not knowledge-based. Or
more precisely, that there should be a very strong skills-based component.

Something that might help is a system along the lines of Advogato
(http://www.advogato.org/). That was originally set up to help find
out if a candiate was suitable as a committer on open source projects.
It ranks people as Apprentice, Journeyer, or Master, based on the
judgement of the community as calculated by a trust metric. I like the
craftsmanship bit. But then I am a moderate craftite ;-) I also like
the fact that the certification process is owned by the community and
not by a single company. I like the fact that the trust metric is
transparent. I think trust metrics are cool in general. All in all, I
think there is value in it.

But I don't think it is the whole answer or even most of it. On
balance, right now, I cannot foresee a certification process for XP
that I would support, but I do believe it is worthwhile to think about it.




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I pray there is not. I would find it repugnant. ... From: bunnysboo <CarlosLimaArt@...> To: extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15,...
Tim Ottinger
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... I used to believe very strongly that certification goes against the values of XP, but for a while I have been wondering if there might be a good way to do...
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... Certification is a hot topic these days. I'll stick my neck out and say that most of those who actually do "agile" work on a day to day basis have...
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May 16, 2007
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... Hiring people and evaluating them, is their job. Why do we want to take this responsibility from them and put that on our shoulders. Why don't they invest...
Seyit Caglar Abbasoglu
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May 16, 2007
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... I think the question should be "who is the certification designed to benefit." Is it for the benefit of the practitioner? The employer? Or the recruiter?...
Tim Haughton
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May 16, 2007
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... I would go further. In my experience, candidates who are certified seem to perform worse than their non-certified brethren. I don't attribute that to the...
George Dinwiddie
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May 16, 2007
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Is the problem with certification really the perception that hiring agents/managers think that it supplants experience? I'll take a person with battle scars...
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... seem ... That seems likely especially in cases when the certification is based solely or primarily on passing a written test or completing a single ...
dnicolet99
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... take this ... experience in ... That's a reasonable question. Maybe one answer is the time lag between the time a New Thing first proves its value and the...
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... Perhaps we should sell a Hiring Certification... =)...
Sammy Larbi
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... Hmmmmm.. I can see the dollars rolling around ;) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
Seyit Caglar Abbasoglu
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A lower standard of "knowledgeable", perhaps? ... From: George Dinwiddie <lists@...> To: extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May...
Tim Ottinger
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I'm usually an observing bystander on XP discussions, but I thought you might be interested in my experience with certification in another field. There is a...
John Levy
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... LinkedIn is one model for peer review. Another model we might look at for inspiration is "The Mechanics Files" at http://www.cartalk.com/content/mechx/ -- ...
Doug Swartz
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... It all boils down to three words -- "Hiring is hard" I have been involved in coin collecting for many years. In the good old days, you bought and sold...
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