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Re: The success/failure distinctions

--- In extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com, John Roth <JohnRoth1@...>
wrote:
> The story is that PERT was a Potemkin Village
> kind of thing. They did it to keep the auditors and
> Congress off their backs while they got the job done.

This is a great example of something that I call blocking, where you
produce the paperwork, attend the meetings, pretend to care, ... to
make it look as if you're following the "official process". See
http://www.ddj.com/dept/architect/184415008?cid=Ambysoft .

I used to ask people at conferences if they've ever done that, and
most people stuck up their hand. I would also ask whether they'd
been caught, and out of the thousands of people that had claimed to
have blocked at one point or the other only a few had been caught,
and none had been punished.

About a year and a half ago I got caught up in a flame war with
someone who claimed that this was an unethical thing to do. He
couldn't justify this of course, and naturally didn't want to budge
from his opinion. I personally thought that it was unethical for the
bureaucrats to force projects to do questionable activities which did
little more than justify the existence of the bureaucrats, be that as
it may. He was an enterprise process/governance person who clearly
leaned towards formal approaches and I highly suspected that he was
being blocked by a lot of teams in his company, hence he was upset
about the blocking concept being promoted as a good idea.

- Scott
Practice Leader Agile Development, IBM Rational




Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:22 am

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There's a story I heard somewhere (possibly from the Poppendiecks?) about the Polaris submarine project. It's usually held up to be the exemplar of a planned ...
John Roth
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Jul 10, 2007
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... This is a great example of something that I call blocking, where you produce the paperwork, attend the meetings, pretend to care, ... to make it look as if...
Scott Ambler
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Jul 12, 2007
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Project Blocker. I like that. You describe many things I've found myself doing as a PM... but now formalised it as a role.... I think I've found my vocation ;)...
Simon Jones
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Jul 12, 2007
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... I once worked on a project where we took turns being the Meeting Monkey. The MM was responsible for attending the five hours of scheduled (but useless)...
Adrian Howard
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... Nice. Was "Meeting bingo" part of the required learning for the MM? -- J. B. (Joe) Rainsberger :: http://www.jbrains.ca Your guide to software...
J. B. Rainsberger
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... [snip] ... Nope :-) One funny thing was that three of us independently tried to get everybody asking the standup-meeting questions in some of these ...
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Hello, Scott. On Thursday, July 12, 2007, at 5:22:25 AM, you ... Let me try. To block is to lie. Lying is unethical. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com ...
Ron Jeffries
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... budge ... Interesting. Thats a fairly firm response. I hadn't seen it that way. Or at least I find I can put a more positive spin on it. Its a bit of an...
Simon Jones
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Hello, Simon. On Thursday, July 12, 2007, at 8:51:56 AM, you ... I don't know. I don't wear lipstick. Even in private. Even with Scott. Ron Jeffries ...
Ron Jeffries
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I felt sure you didn't :) How about 'suit at an interview'. A mutually agreeable and expected deception. Surely XP adoption, like the start of any...
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Hello, Simon. On Thursday, July 12, 2007, at 9:47:40 AM, you ... Not for me. If they put me in a suit in my coffin I'll come back and haunt them. ... I think...
Ron Jeffries
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... expected ... and ... Likewise. Although, therefore, by providing complete disclosure up- front ('I'm not the kind of man who wears suits') could create an ...
Simon Jones
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... Oh God, Ron. Yes! Yes! Yes!...
Lance Walton
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I'll have what Lance is having... S. ... Steve Freeman http://www.mockobjects.com Winner of the Agile Alliance Gordon Pask award 2006...
Steve Freeman
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I've had something similar... he could be faking ;) ... has ... come...
Simon Jones
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... An example to show that everyone draws the line differently. I don't wear suits in interviews, for the exact reason that the client is not hiring my suit....
J. B. Rainsberger
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... It's true. No matter how much I ask, Ron just won't wear lipstick. Eye shadow on the other hand... ;-) - Scott...
Scott Ambler
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... budge ... When I was quite young I hurt my finger pretty badly. I'd somehow managed to staple one of my fingers. Not attached it to anything, but I had a...
Simon Jones
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Hello, Simon. On Thursday, July 12, 2007, at 9:07:26 AM, you ... He's going to hell for lying. ;-> Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com Replacing an on-site...
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... Perfectly reasonable. But you could look at it another way. Often people who know you peripherally will ask, "How ya doin'?" The proper answer is usually...
William Pietri
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Hello, William. On Thursday, July 12, 2007, at 12:16:27 PM, you ... If a random person on the street asks how you're doin, you can answer any way you please....
Ron Jeffries
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Hello All, When someone asks me if I would like anything, I normally reply "Yes, $6 Million a year and a villa in the south of France." I figure if I ever run...
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... Indeed: if we are measuring velocity and putting it on display, then no-one should ever need to ask us how it's going more than once. After that, if they...
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... To deserve the truth, one must both want the truth and convey through words and actions that one wants the truth. I suspect you have worked with people who...
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... Hm. Is it unethical to be unethical so that the rest of the team can act reasonably? -- J. B. (Joe) Rainsberger :: http://www.jbrains.ca Your guide to...
J. B. Rainsberger
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... ....and as a "blocking" activity, it fits perfectly with the commonly-held notions of an agile team leader's responsibilities. In fact, pretending to care...
J. B. Rainsberger
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... Which anonymous studies are you referring to? [I assume you're not talking about the ones Phlip mentioned, since for those you would have just said "which...
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Either that was an awfully short project or blessedly free of meetings... [grin] Was that 5 hours per day or per week? John Roth ... From: "Adrian Howard"...
John Roth
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"sacrifice one man" is not unethical. Quite the contrary. It is additionally a useful mechanism, so it is both ethical and pragmatic. ... From: Adrian Howard...
Tim Ottinger
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That's okay, I have mine: http://www.cs.umd.edu/class/spring2003/cmsc838p/Process/waterfall.pdf ... From: J. B. Rainsberger <jbrains762@...> To:...
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