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What do you think about individual velocity metric in iteration? Like
John did 4 points in last iteration (or pair did 4 points, does not
matter).




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http://www.targetprocess.com/blog/2007/12/should-you-measure-individual-velocity.html What do you think about individual velocity metric in iteration? Like ...
Michael Dubakov
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Nice article Michael. Congratulations! I agree with the point you've made, but I have the following observation: "The right solution is to measure team...
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Hello, Michael. On Wednesday, December 26, 2007, at 7:52:37 AM, ... Of course it's interesting. But it's potentially dangerous and easy to misinterpret. What...
Ron Jeffries
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I think it would be a huge mistake to measure an individual's velocity. It sounds directly counterproductive to the "whole" team teamwork concept we try to...
Rob Park
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... I'd be more concerned about rewarding those with higher velocities. Subtle interactions can occur in agile teams with more traditional management...
Cory Foy
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Dec 26, 2007
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... I agree. The general principles are: 1. to always measure the primary goal(s), and 2. to temporarily measure secondary goals only when they directly relate...
Steven Gordon
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Dec 26, 2007
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Steve, do you think that applies on the organizational level, too? What about measuring only the primary goal (for example the company's ebitda), and using...
Manuel Klimek
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Dec 26, 2007
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Yes! It is certainly more important that a project be delivering the value that an organization needs than it be returning unwanted value but delivering it...
Steven Gordon
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Trying to press what I write below in one sentence: How people perceive why they do something is the most important part, to make them understand why is the...
Manuel Klimek
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Manuel, I am having trouble discerning your point, so I will try to expand my point in the direction indicated by some of your terminology: For people to...
Steven Gordon
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... Great point, totally agree. And after some point, you realize that people start to work like zombies: no ambition, no improvement and worst of all no ...
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Reading this thread, and backing up to find this response in order to clarify the point. (It has been an interesting thread) I believe, as others have...
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... I think there are two thoughts I have on this. As a general discussion, I think that measuring individual velocity is not a good idea. It can only lead to...
Cory Foy
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... The relationship with the customer should be a partnership, not unquestioning subserviance. When a customer asks for a feature, it is collaborative of us...
Steven Gordon
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... I think there are a few key points worth pondering before coming to this conclusion: (1) TargetProcess is not doing contract work for a specific customer. ...
John A. De Goes
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Hi John, ... I agree. It's their product, and they can do whatever they want. However, adding a feature doesn't necessarily preclude its use by other types of...
Cory Foy
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Hi Cory, ... Well, if they add a feature I find offensive, then I'm not going to buy their product. If they add a feature that developers don't want, then...
John A. De Goes
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Hi John, ... This is a great example that I think can illustrate my point. I work with customers who could absolutely not use your product in any way if there...
Cory Foy
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... your ... In such case I will ensure that this modification is really mandatory and provide customized version of product (but will not include these ...
Michael Dubakov
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... Which, consequently, was what my initial suggestion was talking about. I think it is great that you chose to ask if individual velocity was needed, and the...
Cory Foy
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... Easy, add unlogged voice chat. :) In every workplace I've ever seen, you can chat with coworkers about the weather or last week's game. Talk about cool new...
John A. De Goes
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... My advice to young developers is always that, if your team lead is not a great mentor - or they just dont get that new fangled 'OO' thing, then move teams...
Ken Mccormack
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... In other words, disable the use of the unlogged whisper feature. If it's voice chat going over the network - it's logged. Intra-office communications...
Cory Foy
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Hello, Cory. On Sunday, December 30, 2007, at 11:00:33 PM, you ... I'm really curious what kind of organization would do this. Can you tell us without having...
Ron Jeffries
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... Federal. Military mostly. They are the most strict (check your laptop and cell phone at the door - and don't kid around, because alarms inside will let us...
Cory Foy
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Hi Cory, ... Yes, that's correct. I believe that all companies have an obligation to expend reasonable effort ensuring their software is not going to be used...
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Hello, Cory. On Thursday, December 27, 2007, at 10:32:02 PM, you ... Are you going to say something similar when some team comes on and says they want to stop...
Ron Jeffries
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... have a ... Nice question ;) Maybe the team has full test coverage with another kind of tests? I think it is hardly a good replacement, unit tests are ...
Michael Dubakov
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Hi Folks, Thanks for your thoughts. I don't see metrics as anything other than highlighters for investigation and thought. In that respect I've found them...
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