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Hello,

I have been searching for the success or failure rate of agile
transition attempts, but have come up relatively empty. I would
define success as:
a) The transition met the goals/improvements the customer or company
was looking for. The goals/improvements could be anything from bottom
line profit to productivity to fewer defects and shorter project
timelines of delivery.
b) If the improvements the agile coach (3rd party or internal)
promised to the company came to fruition.
c) If there were any pleasant corollary improvements that weren't
expected.

Failure would be simply defined as: The time and money spent on the
transition were either not worth the result. In the worst cases, the
development organization actually lost quality, speed or even
customers due to the transition attempt.

I haven't really found any stats besides the work reported by Paul
Goddard and Geoff Watts on the BC telecom transition. There are lots
of success stories from various agile consulting companies, but most
don't have any numbers and they obviously won't market their failures.

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Thanks,
Niraj.





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Hello, I have been searching for the success or failure rate of agile transition attempts, but have come up relatively empty. I would define success as: a)...
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Someone will probably come up with something for you (I hope). It might be something that's hard to measure for a reason implicit in your post: the definition...
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Hi Max, To be honest, the posting I originally wanted to send out was requesting feedback on agile "effectiveness" from the community. It had more focused...
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I would wager that for an organization that is committed to Agility, the success rate is around 100%. So a really good starting question would be "Can anyone...
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Why would you want to measure the overhead of transitioning to agile development methodologies, as opposed to the efficacy thereof? Because that's exactly what...
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Hi John, Efficacy is exactly what I would like to be measured, but before asking the group questions related to efficacy, I thought someone might be able to...
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Hi Niraj, I don't see how your question can have answers that are useful to you. Suppose, for some reason, that almost every attempt to transition to agile...
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Hi John, I might be misunderstanding where you care coming from, but it sounds like you think I might be asking for the success rate of agile projects as...
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So it sounds, to me, like your intent is actually to improve the success rate of agile transitions by extracting "do"s and "don't"s from historical data. Is...
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Well, it's really two-tiered. Ideally, I'd love to know of those groups or organizations that attempted an agile transition and how many of those would...
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