On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Ron Jeffries
<ronjeffries@...> wrote:
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> Hello, Dale. On Wednesday, March 26, 2008, at 6:50:50 PM, you
> wrote:
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> > 2. If the numbers were unfavorable, as I believe they are, wouldn't they
> > hinder what we "want"?
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> > What do you want that would be served by withholding that information?
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> I'm not proposing withholding the information, and don't know why
> you'd think I was. I'm asking whether exposing the information will
> hinder what we "want".
>
I am in favor of exposing all the case studies we have. I am in favor
of deriving patterns and anti-patterns from those case studies.
I am against processing those case studies into numbers, because those
numbers would only be valid if the case studies we have are a random
sample. They are not a random sample, so those numbers do not
represent reality whether or not those numbers serve our interests.
Steven Gordon
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> Ron Jeffries
> www.XProgramming.com
> The opinions expressed here /are/ necessarily those of XProgramming.com.
> But I might change my mind.
>
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On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Ron Jeffries ... I am in favor of exposing all the case studies we have. I am in favor of deriving patterns and anti-patterns...
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