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Hello all,

It seems incremental design has become a theme (if implicit) on the
list these past weeks -- does anyone have good references to reading
on incremental design? Kent's note below whet my appetite...

Ron's C# Adventure book is finally in the mail headed for my house,
but it'd be interesting to see if there's more material available.

Thanks,
- Kim

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Kent Beck <kentb@...> wrote:
> <snip>
> I don't know if that was helpful, but I have design-y ideas swirling around
> in my head as I work on the incremental design material, so it came out
> easily. Please let us know how your situation came out.
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Hello all, It seems incremental design has become a theme (if implicit) on the list these past weeks -- does anyone have good references to reading on... 		Kim Gräsman
kimgrasman
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12:14 pm

I'd think that "Refactoring" by Martin Fowler would be the seminal work. "Agile Software Development - Principles, Patterns and Practices" also seems like it...
Ilja Preuss
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12:32 pm

Hi Ilja, Thanks for answering. ... I've read both of them, but maybe not with the right glasses on. I guess I'm looking for practical advice on how to design...
Kim Gräsman
kimgrasman
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1:56 pm

... Maybe the advice will seem too theoretical - the simpler and more expressive the code is, the easier it is to adapt it to the next new requirement. So, by...
Steven Gordon
sfman2k
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2:24 pm

Hi guys, Yes, I see the same truths repeated and they are good, but I think there's more to it than simplicity. For me, Beck's bullet point list for simple...
Kim Gräsman
kimgrasman
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6:49 pm

Hello, ... In my very limited experience the one aspect that most influences the ability to evolve an existing design into the next feature is code ...
Carlo Bottiglieri
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9:31 pm

One problem is that it is impossible to eliminate all duplication. That is, there exist some forms of duplication that are orthogonal to the syntax of the...
John A. De Goes
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7:52 pm

... 3. The code expresses all your design ideas might be part of what you are looking for. What do you mean when you say "narrative"? Ron Jeffries ...
Ron Jeffries
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10:04 pm

Hi Ron, On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Ron Jeffries ... I think I'm looking for _good ways_ of coding that expresses my ideas, so for me this advice is...
Kim Gräsman
kimgrasman
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11:39 am

Hi Kim, Have you looked at Kent's Implementation Patterns? It sounds like it might be along the lines of what you're looking for. Karl...
Karl Scotland
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Hi Karl, I'd seen the title, but not looked into the contents [1] much -- looks like exactly what I'm after! Thanks, - Kim [1] There's a TOC at ...
Kim Gräsman
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12:30 pm

Kim - I would second looking at Kent's recent Implementation Patterns book. It really highlites how each thing we do while programming is a decision about the...
marty.nelson
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3:06 am

Exactly what I was going to suggest. I haven't read it yet, but I've read "Smalltalk Best Practice Patterns", which I understand IP is kind of a successor of....
Ilja Preuss
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1:16 pm

... Yes, well. Practice does help. For ideas you've already been pointed to my book, which may be helpful, and to Kent's Implementation Patterns, which WILL be...
Ron Jeffries
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Hi Ron, On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Ron Jeffries ... Good tip -- I found loads of relevant info! It looks like the Discovering Better Code series is for...
Kim Gräsman
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... If you liked "Design Patterns" then you might also like "Refactoring to Patterns" by Josh Kerievsky. - George -- ... * George Dinwiddie *...
George Dinwiddie
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Hi George, On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 1:03 AM, George Dinwiddie ... Yes, I loved it! :) It seems to me I should pay more attention when I read... Thanks, - Kim...
Kim Gräsman
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... I think your looking for a substitute for field experience, for seeing what works and what doesn't in practice. If you've read all those books and taken...
Paul Campbell
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... I read the great OO design books and nothing quite clicked, and then I spent six months refactoring a small code-base as far as I could refactor it, and...
J. B. Rainsberger
nails762
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1:41 am

Thanks for the ideas, everyone! I think what I'm taking away from this is that explicitly striving for evolvability isn't really useful. Rather, focusing on...
Kim Gräsman
kimgrasman
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... Congratulations. Small programming sessions are really good for refactoring practice. Getting progress made in tiny steps is a key aspect of the skill. Try...
Ron Jeffries
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11:27 am

... One more: in another thread someone mentioned a list of books that included Bill Wake's Refactoring Workbook. You might find that very useful. - George --...
George Dinwiddie
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I find the rule "expresses the programmer's intention" is often under-appreciated... Ken Pugh's books "Prefactoring" and/or "Interface Oriented Design",...
Keith Ray
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On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:02 AM, J. B. Rainsberger <jbrains762@...> ... JB's advice is right. No book has given me an 'AHA' moment (well, not any ...
Chris Wheeler
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11:19 am

... Others may know, but I don't know what to tell you. The four elements are enough for me. Larger design issues tend to be people issues, and when those...
J. B. Rainsberger
nails762
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1:40 am

In my opinion, the OO design principles discussed in the latter book, together with the XP definition of "Simple Design", are the main things you need to...
Ilja Preuss
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2:39 pm

... I'd suggest two things: First, going back to the classic issues of good design, high cohesion and low coupling. Good design means changeable design, and ...
Ron Jeffries
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3:46 pm

... Uncle Bob's articles on Object Oriented Design Principles (on the objectmentor.com site) might also be good. I'm sure the same things are brought up in...
George Dinwiddie
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7:14 pm

... Hi, Kim, I think the surprise is that one might not "design for evolution" but one might simply "design"... and by simply doing "design" well, the "for...
aacockburn
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