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Re: [XP] Fixed Duration Iterations

Yes, they can.

Tim Ottinger
http://agileotter.blogspot.com/



----- Original Message ----
> From: Kevin Trethewey (Driven Software) <kevint@...>
> To: extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:47:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [XP] Fixed Duration Iterations
>
> Thanks for the feedback Tim.
>
> So what you are saying is that they could set up a common pulse for the team
> in terms of retrospectives and feedback, without actually having releases
> corresponding?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Tim Ottinger wrote:
>
> > 1) Retrospectives. Maybe monthly, maybe bi-weekly.
> > 2) Get a feedback loop going (on-site customer, etc)
> > 3) Encourage teaming/pairing on issues of common interest (structure,
> > style, libraries, visual polish, etc)
> > 4) To make 1-3 easier, get a common fixed pulse. I recommend no larger than
> > 2 weeks.
> >
> > Tim Ottinger
> > http://agileotter.blogspot.com/
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > > From: Kevin Trethewey (Driven Software)
>
> > >
> > > To: extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:57:02 AM
> > > Subject: [XP] Fixed Duration Iterations
> > >
> > > I am working with a team of four domain-experts-who-also-code. They are
> > not
> > > working on a single unified product per se, but are building in-house
> > > (financial modelling) tools that are consumed via excel. They need some
> > > guidance on how to introduce a bit more process into their routines.
> > These
> > > are a couple of their pain points...
> > >
> > > * Are unable to polish code enough to get it to a point where it is
> > > production ready
> > > * Have an issue with duplicate code being developed because of lack of
> > > communication
> > > * Lack skills to develop code that is well layered, and follows proper
> > > design principles, so code tends to be hard to extend and maintain
> > >
> > > I think one of the mechanisms that will address their issues is to use
> > > continuous integration and make small regular releases to production.
> > >
> > > The question I have is this - the developers are all, as I mentioned,
> > domain
> > > experts in their own individual (but related) fields. They do not all
> > work
> > > on the same features at the same time, and therefore they will each
> > > compelete their individual tasks at different points and with different
> > > frequencies.
> > >
> > > Would it be proper to take a fixed team-level iteration approach with a
> > > group like this? What is the alternative - give each developer their own
> > > fixed duration release cycle? Avoid fixed release cycles all together?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance!
> > >
> > > Kevin Trethewey
> > > Driven Software
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Kevin Trethewey
>
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I am working with a team of four domain-experts-who-also-code. They are not working on a single unified product per se, but are building in-house (financial...
Kevin Trethewey (Driv...
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Nov 20, 2008
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1) Retrospectives. Maybe monthly, maybe bi-weekly. 2) Get a feedback loop going (on-site customer, etc) 3) Encourage teaming/pairing on issues of common...
Tim Ottinger
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Nov 20, 2008
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Thanks for the feedback Tim. So what you are saying is that they could set up a common pulse for the team in terms of retrospectives and feedback, without...
Kevin Trethewey (Driv...
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Nov 20, 2008
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Adding a daily standup meeting (with a few minutes of scheduled open discussion afterwards) would multiply the effectiveness of this approach. When A hears in...
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On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 5:57 AM, Kevin Trethewey (Driven Software) < ... Domain experts who also code may not be so interested in making great code. When I...
Joshua Kerievsky
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Thanks for the advice Joshua, it is useful to me :- ... problem of unpolished, unlayered, duplicated code? The question was asked as it is something I am...
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... I second that. You could have unsatisfied customers if you don't quickly and iteratively demonstrate progress towards easing their pain points ...
D. André Dhondt
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Nov 20, 2008
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Yes, they can. Tim Ottinger http://agileotter.blogspot.com/...
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