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Flaccid Scrum? The Decline and Fall of Agile?
More evidence that organizations and development communities need a Whole
Enchilada -- managerial and technical agility, not just one or the other.

The idea that "they will just evolve to adopt the technical stuff" is, in my
humble opinion and experience, a naive assumption. Most of the time, that
adoption either doesn't happen or happens so haphazardly that it is as if it
never happened at all.

Scrum out of the box says nothing about technical agility. It is like
selling a car without seat belts and other critical safety features. You
need to be lucky enough to know the right Scrum people who will tell you
that you need the technical stuff too (though even they make believe in this
"later adoption phase" idea).

XP (which, as we on this list know, is way more than just technical
practices), Scurm+XP, IndustrialXP, etc., are examples of Whole Enchiladas.


We find again and again that organizations and development communities are
far better off beginning with Whole Enchiladas then waiting for them to
discover how utterly insufficient their agile process is.

Of course, not every organization and development community needs a Whole
Enchilada or could succeed with it. Yet many do need it and can succeed
with it. A decade of experience has shown us that.

So we need to acknowledge that good processes address critical things and
technical agility is most definitely a critical thing in software
development. It is ill-advised to defer it to a later adoption phase.

--
best regards,
jk

Industrial Logic, Inc.
Joshua Kerievsky
Founder, Extreme Programmer & Coach
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On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Joshua Kerievsky ... More like selling a car without an engine, and holes in the floorboards instead of brakes....
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... Flintstone Software Development. :) -- Dave Rooney Mayford Technologies "Helping you become AGILE... to SURVIVE and THRIVE!" http://www.mayford.ca ...
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... I kinda like the "no brakes" and "no seat belts" analogy: Sure it has an engine -- quite powerful and effective it is. You can get going real quick and...
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... Software development processes are not silver bullets that can be expected to just work out of the box or off the showroom floor. Yes, we can provide...
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... In my experience: 1) It is easier to introduce new processes early in the lifecycle of a project. Those processes will also have a greater impact on the ...
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... I do not see how points 3, 4, or 5 argue that Big Bang process adoption is superior to a facilitated, iterative process adoption. If the objective of a...
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... I object to the characterization of "big bang process adoption". I'm not sure that I believe it is possible for a large organization to become entirely...
Adam Sroka
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If you are talking about agile starting grass-roots from a development organization, then that is a whole different situation. First, the "whole enchilada" is...
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... A group of people can decide to do managerial and technical agile practices. Where's the top down in that? ... Your premise -- that ownership and...
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Hi Steven, ... I think there's an important distinction to be made here. The /decision/ to go agile must be top-down. The actual implementation of agile...
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... Yes, expecting teams to "magically become more Agile" is fundamentally flawed, but coaching teams working on legacy code or an existing project to become...
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On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 9:17 AM, George Dinwiddie ... We might be working from slightly different definitions of "fail." Mine includes the aforementioned...
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... Hmmm... Define "suck" in this context. If "suck" means something like "not in the top 10% in terms of productivity of clean code" then it is, by...
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On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 11:46 AM, George Dinwiddie ... First of all, I think "suck" is a know-it-when-you-see-it kind of thing. Principally, I am referring to...
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... Would you offer this advice in all contexts? Or just in the one in which you find yourself now? More specifically, if you were called in because a...
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On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 2:26 PM, George Dinwiddie ... Not immediately. I might wait hours or even days. :-D I'm kidding. Every organization is a little bit...
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... I want to add that I don't currently work as a coach. I have in the past, and I would like to again, but that is not where the cards have fallen lately. ...
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Hi All, There are lots of opinions on this, many of which sound a bit absolute to me. I've seen management-first, technical- first and both together work in...
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Hi Charlie, ... first in an individual situation. ... problem is. I agree. For me the answer seems to lie in the existing output of the teams. I find the...
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On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Charlie Poole <charlie@... ... My original email said: "Of course, not every organization and development...
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Hi Josh, ... I keep hearing that. Where are the stories ? The "Journal of Agile Failure" doesn't even list 6. Laurent Bossavit laurent@......
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... Are you familiar with NDAs? Without using company names, I can tell you that nearly 90% of the calls we get (and we get plenty, even in a slow economy) are...
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Josh, ... Yes. (Few of my clients bother to have me sign one, though.) My question still stands: where are the stories ? Case studies can be anonymized....
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... That seems significant to you? I've never heard of that site. Who else has? Frankly, I have no time or interest to contribute to such sites as I'm busy ...
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At the end of our last iteration, I went back into source control and tallied up the number of new unit tests added to the system (no, we don't pair). Out of...
Marty Nelson
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... Good for you Marty. I think a lot of folks want change in their organizations and yet they don't know how to convince people. Numbers certainly can help....
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... Dude, I'm giving up on this conversation. Best, Laurent Bossavit laurent@......
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... Josh, what you're describing sounds very different from the complaint that people are doing Scrum, but still writing poor quality code. It sounds like...
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