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IEEE SWEBOK Is Looking for Reviewers--They Don't Even Mention XP, A   Message List  
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Re: [XP] IEEE SWEBOK Is Looking for Reviewers--They Don't Even Mention XP, Agile, etc.

Hmmm...

They say, "One of the fundamental tenets of good software engineering is
that there is good communication between system users and system
developers." That's very good, but the next sentence says, "It is the
requirements engineer who is the conduit for this communication." I
don't see any justification for the assumption that there must be an
intermediary.

And this is near the beginning. I fear that the implicit assumptions of
this document are going to make such a review very slow going.

- George



Mike Cohn wrote:
> The IEEE SWEBOK is currently under public review and they are looking for
> additional reviewers. Since they don't even mention XP, Agile, Scrum, etc.,
> it would seem that they could use our help as reviewers. See the message
> below or go to www.swebok.org to register as a reviewer or just read the
> SWEBOK.

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George Dinwiddie
agile programmer for hire
Baltimore/Washington area
gdinwiddie@...
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The IEEE SWEBOK is currently under public review and they are looking for additional reviewers. Since they don't even mention XP, Agile, Scrum, etc., it would...
Mike Cohn
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Hmmm... They say, "One of the fundamental tenets of good software engineering is that there is good communication between system users and system developers."...
George Dinwiddie
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Hi George, ... And to make such a review necessary. Dale -- Web: http://www.dhemery.com Weblog: http://www.dhemery.com/journal (Conversations with Dale)...
Dale Emery
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... But can we make them drink? Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com Talent determines how fast you get good, not how good you get. -- Richard Gabriel...
Ron Jeffries
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... 1 horse, 2 software professionals, 2 horses...
fishlike_fly
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... Is making them drink (i.e. change the SWEBOK to use or include agile methods) necessary? Or is it sufficient to make sure there's enough controversy...
Chris Hanson
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May 30, 2003
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... This would have some merit. Do we feel that compulsory state licensing of software professionals is in the offing, and that the SWEBOK is a likely basis? ...
Ron Jeffries
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May 30, 2003
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... surrounding ... licensing of ... What is the point of doing that? Start there... ... [...] Is PMBOK used for a similar purpose?...
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... ======================= I think that reviewing SWEBOK will help highlight the controversy, and I urge members of this listserv to express their views as...
Cem Kaner
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... I just want to clarify something. It's my understanding that Texas doesn't license "software engineers" but licenses use of the term "software engineer."...
Chris Hanson
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Anyone suggested licensing politicians? Ian...
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... From: "Chris Hanson" <cmh.at.bdistributed.com@...> To: "extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com" ...
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... That's not quite accurate. The term "professional engineer" is regulated in all states. The word "engineer" on its own is not restricted, in most states....
Cem Kaner
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... Things are a little more complex and more troubling than this. As background, I was very active in the drafting of the Uniform Computer Information...
Cem Kaner
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... There are a few things going against adoption of SWEBOK licensing. Most big companies (Apple, Microsoft, etc.) don't have that heavyweight a development...
Keith Ray
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... I thought your way too, Keith, until I raised the licensing issue with some software publishing lawyers at some of the UCITA meetings. For a long time in...
Cem Kaner
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I did a quick tour through some of the reference materials and will quote or cite them in this note. ... Here are my notes (Cem Kaner) ... This definition is...
Cem Kaner
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Cem: All I can say is that anyone doing any programming should get their ass out of Texas and fast. This is a terrible situation that we -- as the people doing...
Chris Hanson
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What software engineers do is very different from what "licensed engineers" do. I agree with the position of the ACM "ACM is opposed to the licensing of...
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... With the licensed software engineer held accountable? This would be a HUGE change. For instance, as the team lead on a project I certainly would not...
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... From: "Cem Kaner" <kaner.at.kaner.com@...> To: "extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com" ...
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... Cem Kaner responds: I'm not sure this is correct. I agree that a company that made life-critical software would be foolish to not have a licensed engineer ...
Cem Kaner
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... engineer ... Cem is correct. Furthermore, life-critical software that is currently being built *is* signed off on by a professional engineer. This engineer...
Dan Rawsthorne
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Let's check context --- IF we establish that software engineering is a licensable profession, THEN any company that makes life critical software would be...
Cem Kaner
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... Do you think it should be possible for a journalist to be "booted out of the profession"? I'm not talking about their reputation being ruined and being...
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... From: "Cem Kaner" <kaner.at.kaner.com@...> To: "extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com" ...
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jhrothjr
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... Could not the same argument be raised that all that Laywers do in a courtroom is Speech, and therefore Laywer nothing should stop anybody from being a...
Daniel Sheppard
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... The amount of controversy to be effective would have to be enough (and of the kind) that gets the Wall Street Journal, the NY Times, and other ...
Keith Ray
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... I would have no objection to state licensing of Software Engineers, as long as it remained clear that you can develop software as a craftsman ...
Kevin Smith
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... A lot of this is offset by open source and the services models growing around open source, speaheaded by the likes of IBM and Redhat, Zope and JBoss. Just...
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