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Re: [XP] Metrics in XP Projects   Message List  
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Re: Burn-down vs. Burn-up Charts (Was: [XP] Re: Metrics in XP Projects)

At 3:11 PM -0400 10/20/03, yahoogroups@... wrote:
>Nice idea! I take it that the target line at the top shifts as
>items are reestimated, or added or deleted from the
>release plan.

Right. Also, the ship date can be moved left or right. If you'll
pardon some ASCII art...

Here we see a project where about halfway through, they realized they
weren't going to hit their ship date with the original scope, so they
cut scope to fit the time:

| FINISH
| ------ |
| |
S| ------+----
C| . |
O| . |S
P| . |H
E| . |I
| . |P
| . |
|________________
TIME

And here's a product that missed their ship date because scope was
added part way through:

|
| ----|---+-
| FINISH | .
S| -------- +
C| . |
O| . |S
P| . |H
E| . |I
| . |P
| . |
|___________________
TIME

Tracking the history of the finish line is useful for presentations
to top management. "Why is the project late?" "Because you moved
the finish line."

For marker board discussions, you just draw the curve, drop some
perpendiculars, and ask, "Where along here do you want to ship?"

--

John Brewer
Jera Design

Extreme Programming FAQ: http://www.jera.com/techinfo/xpfaq.html



Mon Oct 20, 2003 7:33 pm

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