Re: [XP] Programming as if errors and exceptions cannot occur
On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 2:34:57 PM, Rett Williams wrote:
> Somplace else recently, I wrote about the degree to which XP occasionally
> drifts into to religion, and you just filled the bill.
Calling something you don't understand and don't know how to do "religion"
is an entirely specious argument. There are people all around you doing
these things and having them work. Tell us what happened when you tried it.
Until then, it seems fatuous to tell us that we can't be doing what we are
doing.
Ron Jeffries
www.XProgramming.com
Any errors you find in this are the work of Secret Villains,
whose mad schemes will soon be revealed. -- Wil McCarthy
Again, my verbiage has shown it's inapplicability to all real-world situations. Ever been out on banana-peels. I have some very specific memories of just how...
... Calling something you don't understand and don't know how to do "religion" is an entirely specious argument. There are people all around you doing these...
That was not at all what I said. What I said was that some of the adherents/disciples on this forum seem to have elevated a programming approach to the status ...
... Oh, yeah, I probably didn't realize that. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest. -- Paul Simon...
Half of my sentence is stating the obvious. The other half, that the social process is larger than the programming target of XP is where I was headed. Maybe XP...
... Look that story up and you'll see it *also* involves letting go of unproductive workers... so it wasn't just the attention the group was getting. Later...
The "GE effect" has been verified over and over and over again. It is intuitively obvious once pointed out. It's analog in drug research is "placebo effect"....
Hi Rett, ... I'm wondering whether I know this by another name. From DeMarco and Lister's Peopleware (p 119): "In the spring of 1932, efficiency experts ran a...
I've seen it described a dozen times as GE effect, either for George Elton Mayo, the actual experimenter in the later experiments or for some who couldn't ...
... It's not so much religion as it's a case where we found an approach that works better for us. Let's say I play golf. (I don't actually play so these...
I believe you may have made my point for me here. The alternative interpretation of your response to the golf advice is the possibility that you are highly...
... Yes, I'd much rather be running around naked right now but since I'm at work I'll settle for emailing. -- Without requirements, the program is done now. -...
... Have you ever done XP? No? Then chances are, you don't understand it and do not know how to do it. XP knowledge is experiential. ... That's nice....
... Good question. It might be that they are mean only to people who are rude, dismissive and exhibiting no desire to understand what is being said to them. If...
In the sixties, I can remember a whole bunch of people saying, you've just really got to try this stuff man. You can't possibly know how good it is till you've...
... Someone please e-mail me when either this is over or when everyone else has moved somewhere with a more tolerable atmosphere. I honestly have better things...
... Ignore the individual in question. That's what I'm doing. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com To follow the path: Look to the master; Follow the master; Walk...
Well, Ken, the fistfight was started by one of your own, since you appear to claim Dossy(but do you feed him and walk him every day). Let's see...his comments...
... Could you explain why one must use the label "religion" here? Are there any other labels one might use that are not specific to religion? Abstracting...
You are perfectly correct in saying that faith is not limited solely to the precincts of religion, however, I have yet to find a religion that does not require...
... We often supply advice here based not on our experience, but upon application of the principles. (Courage, duplication removal, rampant testing, frequent...
... rampant ... I thought Courage was one of the values. You're mixing principles, practices, and values here as if they all mean the same thing. Taylor...
... I'm not repeating the doctrine verbatim. But they >all< lead to the emergent behavior. Without courage, your boss won't let you talk to the customer....
Well, Mr. Jeffries, I am a piker by comparison, having only been writing programs for 37 years. What I perceived your statements as was an attitude rather than...
... The finest programmers produce maintainable code. Therefore, the people you describe above were not the finest programmers. The value of ingenious code is...
... Actually, the finest programmers can be defined in enough ways to keep this argument going ad infinitum, but I think you take my point. In this case, I...
... In my experience, if the code is not maintainable, it is not stable and it is often not working. Those things all seem to go hand in hand. ... Actually,...
... I haven't seen that pattern. In my experience the guys that rip out tools and prototypes in a few days are only able to do it so well because they are...
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