>>>Can you give an example of where this seems difficult,
>>>but it really isn't?
--- Steve Howell <showell@z...> wrote:
> Okay, I'll pose one. You have a coffeehouse with a fairly
> large menu. You want a system that can calculate the total
> bill for each order. Until you put the entire menu on the
> system, you can't really use the system, because you still
> have to rely on pen and paper. How do you break this
> problem down?
OK:
1st story: Server types in the total of the food items. System
computes tax and total.
2nd story: System computes change.
You don't think this provides value?
Well, many small diners work just this way.
3rd story: System tracks tips.
4th story: System tracks which servers did which orders.
Nth story: System accepts some simple and very common orders.
You think this is useless? You think the system is useless unless
it can handle everything on the menu and all variations? Well think
of this: Is there anything you can do in a bank branch with a human
teller that you can't do with an ATM? Now does this make ATMs
useless? No, I thought not.
... Okay, I'll pose one. You have a coffeehouse with a fairly large menu. You want a system that can calculate the total bill for each order. Until you put the...
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... I thought a little more about partial implementations, and I think it's possible to get one. Presumably before the coffeehouse goes to a computer solution,...
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... If you think it's that easy, I'd love to see some working code. :) ... A release schedule might be timed around manager meetings, which happen once a week....
... Yes, I am sure that pairing with someone clueful would be a major help. There are all these little glitch things. One guy at the CF talk I was at this week...
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... In other words, you added different grouping options to the SF RFE tool? Another pull-down category labeled "Iteration" on each RFE could be interesting,...
... Outstanding report. I would love to have it as an experience report on XProgramming.com. It's close to publishable right now, I'd think. Would you be...
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... Congrats! It sounds like you guys were hugely successful. ... I would love more data. Anything you've got! Also, I'd love to buy lunch for your UI designer...
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