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Re: [XP] what do you do when new teams have low velocity?

On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 10:08:19PM +1000, Julian Boot wrote:
> Ron said:
> > Iterations start with
> > customer stories and end with customer stories running their customer
> > acceptance tests, in my opinion.
>
> This is one thing I pay important attention to when introducing XP.
> There is tremendous value in getting the first iteration to deliver
> *some* value to the customer. Nothing removes the skepticism better.
> And nothing shows just how much control the customer has when a
> recommendation they made in a conversation two days ago is now
> implemented and passes the given tests.

Excellent point! We often say that each iteration should build
something useful, starting with the most important thing.

Maybe the most important and useful thing that the initial
iteration needs to builds is ... *trust*! ?
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Brad Appleton <brad@...> www.bradapp.net
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Effective Teamwork, Practical Integration
"And miles to go before I sleep." -- Robert Frost



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... This is one thing I pay important attention to when introducing XP. There is tremendous value in getting the first iteration to deliver *some* value to the...
Julian Boot
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Aug 16, 2004
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... Excellent point! We often say that each iteration should build something useful, starting with the most important thing. Maybe the most important and...
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All - I'm a relative newcomer to the list, but I've lurked for a bit and read through some archives, so I'm pretty comfortable asking a few questions... I'm a...
Mike Reed, LP
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Mike, One thing that I couldn't help thinking as I read your post ... put them all in one big room all the time! I don't know how much influence you have over...
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From: "Mike Reed, LP" <mreed_911.at.yahoo.com@...> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:28 PM Subject: [XP] XP in a vertical? ... Is this...
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... The hardware side, coming from a telco background, is pretty straightforward. They get requirements/specs, do the design, get the hardware built. That's...
Mike Reed, LP
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... Not just 'them': Mike too should be in the room. Regards, Dominic Williams http://www.dominicwilliams.net...
Dominic Williams
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... I'm guessing "some time later" means more than a day later. Are you doing daily standup meetings, where each team member says what they did yesterday,...
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This all sounds so familar <sigh>. I'm in a similar position, having XP experience and joining BDUF / developer-in-cubes company. We have had improvement, but...
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... Who does have control? If there is someone who does, than isn't that your development counterpart? Why don't you have any control? Someone has to, or that...
Joel Shellman
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... Where is all this need for 'control' coming from? How is the team going to become self-organizing if Mike or a dev leader starts clamping down on...
Dominic Williams
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... It sounded like the "team" had already "self-organized" into a highly undesirable state. It is likely that some sort of stimulus will be required to get it...
Joel Shellman
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... Something they have to accomplish in the next week or two might do it. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com You are closing your eyes to a situation you do...
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... And that's exactly what I'm avoiding. From seeing what they built before I came and how well it works, I have high confidence in their abilities. The...
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... Right now? Management by democracy - enough people say it needs to be done, it gets done. Don't *even* get me started... ... Agreed. I don't need...
Mike Reed, LP
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... Is this a problem of making promises your company can't keep, or not sure you can keep because you made the promise before you even knew you could do it? ...
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... Before I got here? Both. The promise had been made internally to sales and marketing, who advertised it and sold it to customers, who expected it when...
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About the faxing example: ... Two ideas to get the fax sending feature: 1. I mainly work as a developer and I'm continually told that something is VERY...
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... Has something the size of the faxing effort been taken off the table? Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com There is economic value in manufacturing identical...
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I had a moment of whimsy. a friend suggested I share it with the group. Twelve Steps of TDD Step 1: We admitted we were powerless over things we believed...
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... In one of the recent 18th-century seafaring movies (I think it was "Master and Commander") the crew needed to stop and turn the ship very quickly. They...
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Hello Mike, I've clipped and reordered your paragraphs. ... Then you are entitled to be very optimistic: all too often teams are trying to do XP without a...
Dominic Williams
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... Metrics. I have NO feel for velocity, and I can't track completion rate on their current build cycle/plan. My first owned release will start planning...
Mike Reed, LP
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... Hmmm.... it would be rather difficult for development to consistently under estimate over several iterations using XP estimation techniques. After your...
Joel Shellman
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... I see this as a very key element. My current gig is the same way. We have intelligent people, but in many cases poor discipline. (technicality, but a coder...
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Hello Mike, ... Velocity is not a /feel/. It is a metric, the only one XP really needs. I don't understand how a dev manager is going to help you here. ... I...
Dominic Williams
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Mike, ... What are you doing to address that ? Would having a development manager address that ? Cheers, -[Laurent]- It is tempting to suppose that everyone...
Laurent Bossavit
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... The last phrase above is a faint warning sign to me. It sounds like others in your company are still expecting a capital-'P' Plan, and want you to make...
Chris Hanson
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I think error bars have been discussed previously, but can someone elaborate on "Uncle Bob's error bars"? The reference clearly comes from ...
Denis Haskin
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... After four or five iterations you can create a mean and standard deviation of velocity. You can then add up all the stories in the next release, and use...
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