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Re: [XP] Re: Barry Boehm talking about Agile Software Development -   Message List  
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Agility is about building ... TRUST ? (Re: Barry Boehm talking about Agile Software Development - incremental & fear)

> Once a good working relationship has been established and the project
> gets into "steady state", then risk-hedging or EV prioritization
> certainly becomes a reasonable option.

Thats starting to support a slogan I've been thinking
about proposing. In Agile software development, what is
the first and most important thing that we build? Some
would say executable (and working) software; Some might
say, "the code"; Non-agile methods might say "specs".

I'm starting to wonder if maybe it isn't any of those
things. Maybe the first and most important things that
an agile development project builds is TRUST. We do it
with intense collaboration (including with the customer,
but also with other stakeholders across the lifecycle);
we do it with short iterations and feedback-loops;

We don't require anywhere near as much documentation
or specification or traceability ... because we
BUILT TRUST IN to the process very early on. We
gave the customer control, made our process and
progress visible and transparent, and we listen,
and learn. And we get better at it, and give better
results by continuing to build and earn TRUST.
--
Brad Appleton <brad@...> www.bradapp.net
Software CM Patterns (www.scmpatterns.com)
Effective Teamwork, Practical Integration
"And miles to go before I sleep." -- Robert Frost



Mon Nov 22, 2004 9:15 pm

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I was not advocating EV, just defining it to show that it was quite different than risk-based or value-based. In fact I believe EV and risk-based are both very...
Steven Gordon
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Nov 22, 2004
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... Thats starting to support a slogan I've been thinking about proposing. In Agile software development, what is the first and most important thing that we...
Brad Appleton
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Nov 22, 2004
9:15 pm

Shouldn't we be focused on creating good software that is usable on end-user and code level, adaptive to change (hopefully only for features and bug fixes),...
Sean Gilbertson
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Nov 22, 2004
9:30 pm

... Should we? I think so. Do we? Even more illusive is what does "good" mean? Who gets to decide that? In XP, some tests are specified by developers, others...
Brad Appleton
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... Some years ago I worked for a major aerospace firm which had spent a lot of money to bring in a new BDUF software development methodology. One of the key...
Russell Gold
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Nov 23, 2004
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... When you say "low-hanging fruit" aren't you considering risk, and trying to minimize it? Isn't high-value-low-risk measured by EV? Many times a sense of...
Victor
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Nov 22, 2004
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... Oops! I see I was too hungry and ate the word "no". The text should have been: "Many times a sense of EV is *not* necessarily approached by mathematical ...
Victor
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Nov 22, 2004
6:32 pm

Yo Kay! ... I suppose that's true. I'll have to ask the peeps how they interpret risk management. For my own part, I might be unaware of emotion when...
Olson, Curtis B
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Nov 22, 2004
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... Hey, Curtis, ... It's always a good idea to ask... ... It's not easy to identify our own "meta-programs." I remember insisting, in one NLP training, that...
Kay Pentecost
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Nov 23, 2004
1:50 am

Some people, independent of mentality, refer to "away from" mentality by the word "fear". Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com Only the hand that erases can write...
Ron Jeffries
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Nov 22, 2004
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Hi Ron, ... Fear is one "away from" emotion. Others include disgust, anger, guilt, repulsion, hate, disinterest, contempt, indignance, maybe apathy and...
Dale Emery
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Nov 23, 2004
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All true. Some people, in spite of all these options, refer to "away from" mentality using the word "fear". If we wanted a better term than "away from", and a...
Ron Jeffries
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Nov 23, 2004
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Hi, Ron, ... A better term for what? "Towards" and "Away from" are recognized in the NLP/Influence/Persuasion literature (and newsgroups and mailing lists) as...
Kay Pentecost
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Nov 23, 2004
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Hi Ron, ... I've never had a problem (that I know of) when I use the term. I'm not sure why... My guess is that I typically define the term when I first use...
Dale Emery
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Nov 23, 2004
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Kay Pentecost wrote: [clip] ... This is an interesting distinction. Does "away from" behave like "fear"? I'm thinking that it does frequently enough that the ...
Larry Brunelle
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Nov 22, 2004
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Hi, Larry, ... Wow. Now I've got to put my money where my mouth is. <grin> Meta-programs are not my strongest area of NLP... You ask, "Does "away from"...
Kay Pentecost
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Nov 23, 2004
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... I think "toward" and "away from" are similar top "fight" and "flight". I think either one can be a reaction to "fear" or anger or disgust or any number of...
Brad Appleton
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Nov 23, 2004
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Hi, Brad, ... You've got total agreement from me. <grin> Kay...
Kay Pentecost
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Nov 23, 2004
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... Hi Curtis, I don't interpret risk management as synonymous with fear. People can act from fear whether they are managing risks or not. It's possible that...
Steve Bate
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Nov 23, 2004
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... This resonates with me. I've often used a similar example when dealing with folks trying too hard to "control" change by attempting to prevent it. I tried...
Brad Appleton
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One of the interesting things about T'ai Chi is that although it is a martial art, the moves are done slowly and in a relaxed fashion. The idea is to learn and...
Ron Jeffries
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... A good illustration, used by Kent Beck a long time ago, is the rolling suitcase: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?OneHandOnTheYoke Regards, Dominic Williams ...
Dominic Williams
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... See, this is why I believe sigs should contain more classic rock lyrics: the wisdom of the ages set to three simple chords.... --George Paci So hold on...
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Nov 23, 2004
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A better term for "away from". I must not be understanding the question. On the planet where I spend most of my time, NLP is, might we say, not the most common...
Ron Jeffries
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Nov 23, 2004
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Hi Ron, ... The terms I use are "'toward' emotions" and "'away-from' emotions.'" Used as adjectives in this way, "toward" and "away-from" form categories of...
Dale Emery
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Nov 23, 2004
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... Hmm... kind of reminds me of a quote from this group that I liked so much I stuck it in my sig file.... --George Paci <george@...> The...
George Paci
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Nov 23, 2004
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Hi, Dale, ... These are fine categories of emotions... and since you've defined them, we know what you're refering to. And, of course, "toward" and "away-from"...
Kay Pentecost
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Nov 23, 2004
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Hi, Ron! ... I must have misunderstood, then. ... Quite like XP, isn't it? ... Dale has his own definitions. (Which I will respond to) In NLP and the ...
Kay Pentecost
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