Hello people,

is there anyone here that already use scrum/xp/lean/agile in digital
agencies? Like creating websites, online marketing, etc.

I will like to share experiences. :)

Regards
_____________________
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On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 2:39 AM, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...> wrote:

> In a meeting of the C3 team, people were doing some blaming. Chet
> took a card and wrote on it "It's my fault" and signed it. He put it
> in his desk drawer and said something like "OK, from now on,
> everything is my fault. Let's solve the problem."
>

This is why even a Heisenbug is Chet's fault.

best
jk


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Hello Andre,

Thank you.  We call that Supportive Culture.

chet

Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 7:59:57 AM, you wrote:

>>[Chet]... said something like "OK, from now on,
>>everything is my fault. Let's solve the problem."

> Wow--nice way to lead by example, Chet!




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>[Chet]... said something like "OK, from now on,
>everything is my fault. Let's solve the problem."

Wow--nice way to lead by example, Chet!

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>    In a meeting of the C3 team, people were doing some blaming. Chet
>    took a card and wrote on it "It's my fault" and signed it. He put it
>    in his desk drawer and said something like "OK, from now on,
>    everything is my fault. Let's solve the problem."

      Marvelous!  We need more Chets on our teams.  I may have
      to emulate this strategy.

---- Eugene

Hello, D..  On Wednesday, November 18, 2009, at 5:23:35 AM, you
wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 7:43 AM, rex <lists@...> wrote:
>>pardon my ignorance. I don't get it. I guess Chet is the go-to guy to
>>blame bugs on? ;-)

> It has to do with team politics.  If I have the story right, Chet is the guy
> that left first in the orginal XP project, so when anything went wrong after
> that, they jokingly claimed that he had implemented that module, so it must
> be his fault.  It made it easier to focus on how to fix the problem, rather
> than falling into a blame culture.

Not remotely true.

In a meeting of the C3 team, people were doing some blaming. Chet
took a card and wrote on it "It's my fault" and signed it. He put it
in his desk drawer and said something like "OK, from now on,
everything is my fault. Let's solve the problem."

Ron Jeffries
www.XProgramming.com
www.xprogramming.com/blog
Testing quality into a program is like spinning straw into gold.
   -- George Cameron.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 7:43 AM, rex <lists@...> wrote:
>pardon my ignorance. I don't get it. I guess Chet is the go-to guy to
>blame bugs on? ;-)

It has to do with team politics.  If I have the story right, Chet is the guy
that left first in the orginal XP project, so when anything went wrong after
that, they jokingly claimed that he had implemented that module, so it must
be his fault.  It made it easier to focus on how to fix the problem, rather
than falling into a blame culture.

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pardon my ignorance.  I don't get it.  I guess Chet is the go-to guy to
blame bugs on? ;-)

Joshua Kerievsky wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Cory Foy <usergroup@...
> <mailto:usergroup%40cornetdesign.com>>wrote:
>
> > Nah, the requirement was that it a rare condition for the buggy code to
> > be executed.
> >
>
> We blame Chet for most things, even rare-bugs. He doesn't seem to mind. At
> least not yet. :-) -jk
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Cory Foy <usergroup@...>wrote:

> Nah, the requirement was that it a rare condition for the buggy code to
> be executed.
>

We blame Chet for most things, even rare-bugs.  He doesn't seem to mind.  At
least not yet.  :-)   -jk


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On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...> wrote:
> Hello, Cory.  On Tuesday, November 17, 2009, at 10:03:00 PM, you
> wrote:
>
>> Joshua Kerievsky wrote:
>>> A Chet?
>
>> Nah, the requirement was that it a rare condition for the buggy code to
>> be executed.
>
> As far as I know, Chet has never been executed. In fact, he has
> never even done hard time.

Never in the host OS, but perhaps in a virtual environment of some sort?

Hello, Cory.  On Tuesday, November 17, 2009, at 10:03:00 PM, you
wrote:

> Joshua Kerievsky wrote:
>> A Chet?

> Nah, the requirement was that it a rare condition for the buggy code to
> be executed.

As far as I know, Chet has never been executed. In fact, he has
never even done hard time.

Ron Jeffries
www.XProgramming.com
www.xprogramming.com/blog
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Joshua Kerievsky wrote:
> A Chet?

Nah, the requirement was that it a rare condition for the buggy code to
be executed.

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Hello, rex.  On Tuesday, November 17, 2009, at 4:21:45 PM, you
wrote:

> I'm not sure if it was in this mailing list, but someone mentioned a
> technical term for a bug that is intermittent and hard to diagnose,
> since it was a very rare condition in the code tree for that particular
> buggy code to be executed.

> I remember it was named after a person, but I'm not sure.  Has anyone
> heard of this term?

Heisenbug

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That's it!  Thanks everyone!

Bill Kelly wrote:
>
>
>
> From: "rex" <lists@... <mailto:lists%40pgrworld.com>>
> >
> > I'm not sure if it was in this mailing list, but someone mentioned a
> > technical term for a bug that is intermittent and hard to diagnose,
> > since it was a very rare condition in the code tree for that particular
> > buggy code to be executed.
> >
> > I remember it was named after a person, but I'm not sure. Has anyone
> > heard of this term?
>
> A Heisenbug?
>
> http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?HeisenBug <http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?HeisenBug>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unusual_software_bug
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unusual_software_bug>
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill
>
>


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From: "rex" <lists@...>
>
> I'm not sure if it was in this mailing list, but someone mentioned a
> technical term for a bug that is intermittent and hard to diagnose,
> since it was a very rare condition in the code tree for that particular
> buggy code to be executed.
>
> I remember it was named after a person, but I'm not sure.  Has anyone
> heard of this term?

A Heisenbug?

http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?HeisenBug
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unusual_software_bug


Regards,

Bill

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:21 PM, rex <lists@...> wrote:

> I'm not sure if it was in this mailing list, but someone mentioned a
> technical term for a bug that is intermittent and hard to diagnose,
> since it was a very rare condition in the code tree for that particular
> buggy code to be executed.
>
> I remember it was named after a person, but I'm not sure.  Has anyone
> heard of this term?
>

"Heisenbugs" move when you try to observe them.
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?HeisenBug


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On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:21 PM, rex <lists@...> wrote:

> I'm not sure if it was in this mailing list, but someone mentioned a
> technical term for a bug that is intermittent and hard to diagnose,
> since it was a very rare condition in the code tree for that particular
> buggy code to be executed.
>
> I remember it was named after a person, but I'm not sure.  Has anyone
> heard of this term?
>

A Chet?

best
jk


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I'm not sure if it was in this mailing list, but someone mentioned a
technical term for a bug that is intermittent and hard to diagnose,
since it was a very rare condition in the code tree for that particular
buggy code to be executed.

I remember it was named after a person, but I'm not sure.  Has anyone
heard of this term?

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>

> The . got added to the url which results in a 404. Try
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Thanks.
Oleg

Tim Ottinger wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: George Dinwiddie <lists@...>
>> Just thinking... You could have two environments with a load balancer in
>> front.  Keep one environment offline with the load balancer, deploy to
>> that, and switch which one is live.  If the load balancer was set to
>> keep a given session on the same machine, then current sessions would
>> continue on the old system after deploying the new.
>>
>
> My only worry is when the deployment includes a schema migration. I'm
> not sure how to do continuous deployment in the old RDBMS case. Maybe
> that is the real promise of CouchDB and its ilk. I'm betting CD is
> easier if you have adapted (or, I suppose, planned) the architecture
> to support it.

Yeah, that could be a problem.  Unless you run a distributed database
with an instance on each server box.  It could be done...

   - George

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Thanks for the explanation!

2009/11/13 Sarath Kummamuru <kcsarath@...>:
> Hi Ilja,
>     We had used the playback kind of feature to drive the retrospectives
> some times. For example when the teams use the timeline mechanism to do a
> retrospective, it helped the team members some times to look at the playback
> (or a particular previous day task board) and then some of the experiences
> that were lost come out.
>
>     Apart from that, as a coach, it helps to be able to show the task board
> at some stage during the sprint and indicate some anti patterns like *too
> much WIP, too many impediments during the sprint, too many changes in either
> the tasks during the sprint or the sprint goal itself.
>
>      *While in a retrospective a lot of these are mostly fresh in the minds
> of the team members, it has helped that we could take a snap shot of this
> state of the task board on a given day and store it and associate it with a
> retrospective comment for future reference across the org.
>
>      A typical case in the too much WIP where a team had picked up too many
> user stories to be done parallely and ended up with most of them being about
> 90% done but very little 100% done. We take a snap shot of the task board,
> keep it for posterity and share it in the knowledge base for other teams to
> learn from this.
>      While the same I guess could be stated in a document or a wiki, I have
> found  the Visual pattern offered by this snap shot of the task board is
> very effective.
>
>
>
> thanks,
> Sarath.
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Ilja Preuß <iljapreuss@...>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi Sarath,
>>
>> what would you use the playback for?
>>
>> Curious, Ilja
>>
>> 2009/11/12 Sarath Kummamuru <kcsarath@... <kcsarath%40gmail.com>>:
>>
>> > Hi Fede,
>> >    Thanks for the great effort :) wave surely is a wonderful tool for
>> > agilists to help communication and your task board idea is wonderful.
>> Been
>> > thinking of doing some thing like that for some time but you beat me to
>> it
>> > ;-)
>> >
>> >     Like i said in the post on your blog the play back is a cool thing to
>> > have which a physical task board does not allow me and neither do most of
>> > the existing tools.
>> >
>> >
>> > thanks,
>> > Sarath.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Federico
<fzuppa@...<fzuppa%40gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >> I have finished the first version of Taskboardy, a wave gadget that
>> allows
>> >> to maintain a taskboard inside a wave. The tool may be useful for those
>> >> looking for a free taskboard tool.
>> >>
>> >> http://agilebooknote.blogspot.com/2009/11/taskboardy-available.html
>> >>
>> >> Please let me know what you think.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> -fede
>> >>
>> >> Information: I am not a vendor tool (those in the scrum list will know
>> why
>> >> I clarify this :-))
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>>
>> > Thanks,
>> > Sarath.
>> >
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Hi Ilja,
      We had used the playback kind of feature to drive the retrospectives
some times. For example when the teams use the timeline mechanism to do a
retrospective, it helped the team members some times to look at the playback
(or a particular previous day task board) and then some of the experiences
that were lost come out.

      Apart from that, as a coach, it helps to be able to show the task board
at some stage during the sprint and indicate some anti patterns like *too
much WIP, too many impediments during the sprint, too many changes in either
the tasks during the sprint or the sprint goal itself.

       *While in a retrospective a lot of these are mostly fresh in the minds
of the team members, it has helped that we could take a snap shot of this
state of the task board on a given day and store it and associate it with a
retrospective comment for future reference across the org.

       A typical case in the too much WIP where a team had picked up too many
user stories to be done parallely and ended up with most of them being about
90% done but very little 100% done. We take a snap shot of the task board,
keep it for posterity and share it in the knowledge base for other teams to
learn from this.
       While the same I guess could be stated in a document or a wiki, I have
found  the Visual pattern offered by this snap shot of the task board is
very effective.



thanks,
Sarath.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Ilja Preuß <iljapreuss@...>wrote:

>
>
> Hi Sarath,
>
> what would you use the playback for?
>
> Curious, Ilja
>
> 2009/11/12 Sarath Kummamuru <kcsarath@... <kcsarath%40gmail.com>>:
>
> > Hi Fede,
> >    Thanks for the great effort :) wave surely is a wonderful tool for
> > agilists to help communication and your task board idea is wonderful.
> Been
> > thinking of doing some thing like that for some time but you beat me to
> it
> > ;-)
> >
> >     Like i said in the post on your blog the play back is a cool thing to
> > have which a physical task board does not allow me and neither do most of
> > the existing tools.
> >
> >
> > thanks,
> > Sarath.
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Federico
<fzuppa@...<fzuppa%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> I have finished the first version of Taskboardy, a wave gadget that
> allows
> >> to maintain a taskboard inside a wave. The tool may be useful for those
> >> looking for a free taskboard tool.
> >>
> >> http://agilebooknote.blogspot.com/2009/11/taskboardy-available.html
> >>
> >> Please let me know what you think.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> -fede
> >>
> >> Information: I am not a vendor tool (those in the scrum list will know
> why
> >> I clarify this :-))
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
>
> > Thanks,
> > Sarath.
> >
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On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:35 AM, strazhce <infobox.oleg@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> --- In extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com, "renandemelo" <renandemelo@...>
wrote:
> > If you work or worked with any agile method please awnser our research, it
takes less than 5 minutes and can be found at
http://www.ime.usp.br/~corbucci/agile-survey
>
> interesting. I will definitively walk through it.
>
> The thing is, my friend is also doing her own agile survey for MBA:
http://soch.cz/agilesurvey.html.
> So if you don't mind, give her your response. It can be done in 5 minutes as
well.
>
The . got added to the url which results in a 404. Try
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See
http://iljapreuss.blogspot.com/2009/07/criteria-for-scrum-tool-or-any-agile.html
for some of my thoughts on the topic.

Cheers, Ilja

2009/11/7 Sean Corfield <seancorfield@...>:
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Phlip <phlip2005@...> wrote:
>> For example, when we say "story card", we don't mean a userstory written into
a
>> computer program with a "card" object. We mean a real, paper, 3x5 index card.
A
>> team should start by writing these cards and pinning them to a cork board.
Only
>> after trying that for a while should a team then experiment with an automated
>> card system, such as Mingle, to determine if the card system adds any value.
>
> I see quite a bit of emphasis on physical cards for stories, at least
> at first (as a learning tool to get people used to the concept).
>
> Can some folks talk about why putting the stories into some shared
> data store rather on physical cards might not be advisable? What sort
> of problems have folks run into using some simple electronic
> representation, such as a spreadsheet or some other simple electronic
> document / set of documents?
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 5:01 PM, William Pietri <william@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Charlie Poole wrote:
> > Ah! You're thinking of cards as a medium of information transmittal!
> >
>
> That's a fantastic way of putting that.
>
> If cards were primarily for holding information, then many problems with
> card use would be solved by bigger cards. In practice, I find that I'm
> much more likely to help a struggling team by giving them smaller cards
> and fatter pens.
>

That's brilliant.

I've seen story cards defined as simply a "promise to have a
conversation." I think that is another strength cards have over
electronic media. With an electronic tool, you can add and add and add
information until developers no longer need to have conversations with
the customer. That's bad.

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Hi Sarath,

what would you use the playback for?

Curious, Ilja

2009/11/12 Sarath Kummamuru <kcsarath@...>:
> Hi Fede,
>    Thanks for the great effort :) wave surely is a wonderful tool for
> agilists to help communication and your task board idea is wonderful. Been
> thinking of doing some thing like that for some time but you beat me to it
> ;-)
>
>     Like i said in the post on your blog the play back is a cool thing to
> have which a physical task board does not allow me and neither do most of
> the existing tools.
>
>
> thanks,
> Sarath.
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Federico <fzuppa@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> I have finished the first version of Taskboardy, a wave gadget that allows
>> to maintain a taskboard inside a wave. The tool may be useful for those
>> looking for a free taskboard tool.
>>
>> http://agilebooknote.blogspot.com/2009/11/taskboardy-available.html
>>
>> Please let me know what you think.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -fede
>>
>> Information: I am not a vendor tool (those in the scrum list will know why
>> I clarify this :-))
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Sarath.
>
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--- In extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com, "renandemelo" <renandemelo@...>
wrote:
> If you work or worked with any agile method please awnser our research, it
takes less than 5 minutes and can be found at
http://www.ime.usp.br/~corbucci/agile-survey

interesting. I will definitively walk through it.

The thing is, my friend is also doing her own agile survey for MBA:
http://soch.cz/agilesurvey.html.
So if you don't mind, give her your response. It can be done in 5 minutes as
well.

Thanks.

Oleg

Hi Fede,
     Thanks for the great effort :) wave surely is a wonderful tool for
agilists to help communication and your task board idea is wonderful. Been
thinking of doing some thing like that for some time but you beat me to it
;-)

      Like i said in the post on your blog the play back is a cool thing to
have which a physical task board does not allow me and neither do most of
the existing tools.


thanks,
Sarath.

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Federico <fzuppa@...> wrote:

>
>
> Hi,
> I have finished the first version of Taskboardy, a wave gadget that allows
> to maintain a taskboard inside a wave. The tool may be useful for those
> looking for a free taskboard tool.
>
> http://agilebooknote.blogspot.com/2009/11/taskboardy-available.html
>
> Please let me know what you think.
>
> Cheers,
> -fede
>
> Information: I am not a vendor tool (those in the scrum list will know why
> I clarify this :-))
>
>
>



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Hi,
I have finished the first version of Taskboardy, a wave gadget that allows to
maintain a taskboard inside a wave. The tool may be useful for those looking for
a free taskboard tool.

http://agilebooknote.blogspot.com/2009/11/taskboardy-available.html

Please let me know what you think.

Cheers,
-fede

Information: I am not a vendor tool (those in the scrum list will know why I
clarify this :-))

----- Original Message ----

> From: Curtis Cooley <curtis.cooley@...>

> This reminds me of a story.
>
> A colleague of mine was working with a company and having difficulty
> explaing that the scope of the requirements was much larger than the
> product and project managers were expecting. He tried lots of ways to
> try to get everyone on the same page as far as scope. Nothing worked
> until he wrote a story for every feature on an index card and pinned
> them to the wall. He brought the entire team into the room and said
> "That's the scope." From that point on he never got anymore grief from
> management about why the project was taking longer than expected.
> Until they saw the scope laid out in physical form, they really
> couldn't grasp how much they were asking for.
> --

I love stories, and this one in particular. Thanks for it.

Definitely seeing how many stories are in the air at once in a
clear way is a powerful thing.


  Tim Ottinger
http://agileinaflash.blogspot.com/
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