Hi Jim, I agree that using the word "requirements" is inappropriate in an XP context. "User story" is a vast improvement, but I really like your suggestion to...
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Clark, David
davidcau
Jul 1, 2005 8:00 am
Firstly thank you to all who responded to my posting on a simplicty measure. Several valid and useful points were made. Rather than respond to them all...
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Charlie Poole
cpoole98370
Jul 1, 2005 9:36 am
Hi Mike, ... Wasn't it just! I had a great time and learned a lot. Could have used more sleep, but then that was my own choice. Next year, we'll be in Finland...
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Willem Bogaerts
toetah2000
Jul 1, 2005 9:57 am
When I look at the software as a tool, the word "use" (as a noun) comes to mind. For instance, the uses of a welding torch are welding, cutting, heat ...
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Ron Jeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Jul 1, 2005 12:26 pm
... Cool. Your time permitting, I have a feeling that there's more to learn from this topic. ... Yes ... this makes it important to set these students on the...
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Jeff Grigg
jeffgrigg63132
Jul 1, 2005 1:09 pm
... I've been challenging the word "requirements" too. "How can you say that this thing is a *REQUIREMENT*, when the business is doing just fine right now...
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Victor
vmgoldberg2
Jul 1, 2005 1:44 pm
This thread has been quite comprehensive, yet there is one more angle worth considering. Because grading has a subjective component, I would have a...
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Chris Morris
the.chrismo@...
Jul 1, 2005 2:06 pm
... Thanks, but I've got plenty of text along those lines, including my own paper. -- Chris http://clabs.org...
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Dominic Williams
xpdoka
Jul 1, 2005 2:25 pm
Hi Ron, ... Interesting parallel. I was only four years old, and don't really remember this, but my father told me that: 1) The method involves listening /then...
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Randy MacDonald
rando0227
Jul 1, 2005 2:37 pm
Ron: You say: max((max(a,b),c) is a path to the dark side, (actually, in APL or J, I'd say "max/a b c"), ... Which looks a lot like the J solution: 1{/:~a,b,c ...
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SirGilligan
Jul 1, 2005 3:27 pm
... of a student. They have the program working - passes all tests. Rather than leave it at that, they go for extra simplicity marks, which gives them their...
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banshee858
Jul 1, 2005 3:31 pm
... What specific piece of evidence are you looking for (or trying to avoid)? That might help jar people's memory. Carlton...
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SirGilligan
Jul 1, 2005 3:32 pm
... BUT I DID! Oooo Oooooo Oooooo, Mr. Kotter! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/message/108471 Now that you have shown some examples and...
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Steven Gordon
sfman2k
Jul 1, 2005 3:50 pm
This might be feasible with a small enough class (< 20?), or a larger class with TAs whose judgement can be trusted. Otherwise, it is too impractical given...
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Ron Jeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Jul 1, 2005 4:42 pm
... I promote that as a potential path to the dark side, too. The point of my note was that the simplicity rules, when subverted, lead to dogs and cats living...
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Jim Standley
jstandley2001
Jul 1, 2005 6:55 pm
We frequently have a "requirement" that is one of five equally acceptable solutions to a business problem. If we find that one of the others would be much...
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Ian Collins
masumanz
Jul 1, 2005 10:09 pm
... Or the simplest form: memset( score, 0, sizeof(score) ); Would that score high for simplicity, or low for obscurity? To an experienced programmer, it is...
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terryjlacy
Jul 1, 2005 10:43 pm
I've been using XP processes for about 3 years at my former workplace and found it extremely successful. I'm in the process of selling the process at my new...
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Keith Ray
attkeithray
Jul 2, 2005 1:23 pm
In C, C++, Java: int score[4] = { 0,0,0,0 }; ... -- C. Keith Ray <http://homepage.mac.com/keithray/blog/index.html> ...
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Laurent Bossavit
morendilfoo
Jul 2, 2005 1:41 pm
Keith, ... And in ruby: score = [0] * 4 Hmm, yummy. :) Is that obscure ? It will read just as well when there are 4, 16 or 256. ... It is, perhaps, the above...
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aacockburn
Jul 3, 2005 1:05 am
I prefer Kent Beck's word: "wishes". see http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?RequirementsVsWishes <<Requirement: n. that which is required; a thing demanded or obligatory. ...
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Dave W. Smith
dwsmtnview
Jul 3, 2005 4:28 am
... and in Perl, since "There's More Than One Way To Do It": @score = (0, 0, 0, 0); # or @score = qw(0 0 0 0); # or @score = (0) x 4; Dave...
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Phlip
phlipcpp
Jul 3, 2005 6:39 am
EAP starts Monday, here: http://www.greencheese.org/ZeekLand It's a slightly unhinged melodrama set in deep space and the far future, staring lemurs, a bird, a...
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Jim Standley
jstandley2001
Jul 3, 2005 12:06 pm
And in REXX score. = 0 Which doesn't even allocate any memory, but just says if somebody asks for a score.x that we haven't defined yet, give them 0....
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Randy MacDonald
rando0227
Jul 3, 2005 12:55 pm
Not into (Perl, APL,...) golf myself, but in J: score =: 4$0 Is the shortest I've seen. Later... ... BSc(Math) UNBF'83 Sapere Aude | APL: If you can say it,...
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Randy MacDonald
rando0227
Jul 3, 2005 12:56 pm
...Including score.5? Hmmm... Later... ... BSc(Math) UNBF'83 Sapere Aude | APL: If you can say it, it's done.. Natural Born APL'er | demo website:...
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Jonjon Limjap
lj_rules
Jul 4, 2005 12:14 am
To people with years in COBOL? 01 WS-SCORE PIC X OCCURS 4 VALUE ZEROES. Of course, a period (".") in COBOL means a whole other thing than with everybody else. ...
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yahoogroups@...
jhrothjr
Jul 4, 2005 12:30 am
From: "Jonjon Limjap" <jonlimjap.at.gmail.com@...> To: "extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com" ...
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Jonjon Limjap
lj_rules
Jul 4, 2005 12:49 am
Oops. You're right... And I meant that to be PIC 9. Yup, am using COBOL 85. Wreaks the head when you switch between that and C#, especially when "simplicity"...
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Anthony Williams
anthony_w.geo
Jul 4, 2005 8:27 am
... int score[4]={0}; Will do the trick in C++. Anthony -- Anthony Williams Software Developer...
