... simple ... other ... you don't ... Yes, I do agree with that. We never recommend to start right from TargetProcess if customer is completely new to agile....
... I am really want to discuss about "heaviness" in TargetProcess. We've tried made it as simple as possible, and if we've failed somewhere we will improve...
Hello, Michael. On Friday, December 1, 2006, at 5:24:20 AM, you ... In my post, heaviness refers not to how easy the product is to use, but the kind of...
I see quite large gap between what we want to put into TargetProcess and your comments. Maybe it is our fault. ... Do you really not have bugs in your...
... that. A ... organization ... strategy ... Exactly. You certainly don't get gifts handed like that handed to you every day. ;-) ... As Ron pointed out the...
... Easy. Detect which projects are satisfying their users' requirements early and often. Then put a stop to that. -- Phlip http://www.greencheese.us/ZeekLand...
Dan, I don't think so. Regards, Kent Beck Three Rivers Institute _____ From: extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com [mailto:extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com] On...
Hi brief summary: how do you go about negotiating project with traditionally oriented (e.g. waterfall) customer and still keeping it agile? What is the best...
... A> Program your tests to print them out, B> accompany them with live code, in weekly deliveries C> entice your customer to pay more attention to the live...
Hello, Michael. On Friday, December 1, 2006, at 7:23:27 AM, you ... Or it could be mine. I believe that tools are more commonly an impediment to the...
Always include an explicit cost/effort for each non-value-producing activity. Given the explicit costs, if the client still wants to pay for work that does...
how may c++ guys there? for unit testing, i think object mocking tools is a must. but mockpp is a daunting tool to use. is there any bettern choice today? ...
... Raw TDD on new code should not use so many mock objects. Most mock objects should just be classes derived from production objects, with selected methods...
I personally don't encourage heavy use of strong mocking frameworks because they permit even the worst design to be tested simply. That's generally not a good...
... (snip) ... My experience is similar to Phlip's -- I too did most of my formative TDD in C++, and so developed several disciplines (by necessity) that I ...
... it's interesting, but ... the problem is how to write decoupled code with few needs of object mocking. supposing i have three classes, C1, C2 and C3. a...
... You conflate two issues there. One is the domino theory, C1 -> C2 -> C3. The other is the proton problem. C3 affects hardware. (For my second TDD project...
... Let's go all the way back to the beginning. You need a feature to print a report. So you sketch some class C1 with a method to print a report, and write a...
... In other words you should TDD the class "C", and then refactor class "C" into classes "C1", "C2", and "C3". No mocks necessary until you get to the point...
... I don't mind product announcements, but this one is, in my opinion, rather long on marketing-speak. I've got no idea what "maps entities life-cycle to...
... What you say has the ring of truth, but in many cases it seems that external expectations *don't* lead people to extend their limits. Instead, it often...
Hi George, ... I'm not a moderator, but if I were, I wouldn't want to exercise that level of decision-making in deciding what to let through. The list itself...
... You are absolutely right George. That is the 5th habit of the 7 habits of highly effective people: Seek first to understand...Then to be understood. ...
Hello, Charlie. On Friday, December 1, 2006, at 9:09:35 PM, you ... You don't see some of the stuff that we're offered. Do you need any nice girls from Russia...
... thank you very much, i begin to understan. but i still want to question: how about working with other members in a team? here, you can image C1, C2, C3...
... On my team here's how it goes: First, we pair together. If I am Tom, I pair with Jack on C2 until we have enough to start C1, then we switch and go work on...
... I characterize my problems this way: I've learned over the last half-decade or so how to test layered architectures with a combination of Contract Tests...
... I had an interesting session with a new client last week, he wanted me to quote for a web front end to a number of document management systems. Like most...
