... CIO describe this issue... ... I'm not a CIO either. Nor am I, anymore, a software developer. But I do try to empathize! <warm smile> You've already helped...
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Matt Heusser
heusserm
Mar 1, 2007 2:10 pm
... Heh. I know what you mean. It seems to be that most requirements descriptions are either: A) Definitional. You leave having memorized a bunch of words,...
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gutzofter
Mar 1, 2007 4:04 pm
Here is your 2cents... Its about cohesion and orthogonality. The developer with Agile is more productive because of the reduction of noise and hysteresis...
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Donald Roby
donalroby
Mar 1, 2007 5:37 pm
... used to ... writing, not ... be built ... Better proofread that flyer, it sort of looks like you're advertising for 2006! ;-)...
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Chris Wheeler
chris_h_wheeler
Mar 1, 2007 7:11 pm
... What's wrong with setting a goal and a date, and expecting a team to tell you how they are going to meet that goal and that date? Presuming that the goal...
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ryanpcooper
Mar 1, 2007 8:15 pm
What's wrong with me telling you I expect you to climb mount everest in 3 hours, and expecting you to tell me how you are going to do it? ;) ... tell ... that...
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Doug South
Doug.South@...
Mar 1, 2007 9:50 pm
Hi Manuel, This goes a bit beyond what you are asking, but I think it worth considering. ...
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Steven Gordon
sfman2k
Mar 1, 2007 10:35 pm
Agile is about steering projects based on feedback and learning, so setting a hard goal and detailed plan for a date months in advance will not allow any...
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Chris Wheeler
chris_h_wheeler
Mar 1, 2007 10:43 pm
I think you missed the point - that may not be based on business needs. I said, presume goal and date are business driven. ... -- -- Chris Wheeler ...
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Chris Wheeler
chris_h_wheeler
Mar 1, 2007 11:03 pm
Forget agility for a moment. As a business executive, I may see an opportunity that needs to be captured. Let's say it's Jan 2nd, 2007, and I know that if we...
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Steve Ropa
steveropa
Mar 1, 2007 11:04 pm
The kind of feedback you are describing is upper management's dream. We can't stand a bunch of reports saying things are great until all of a sudden they...
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Adrian Sutton
theajofoz
Mar 1, 2007 11:05 pm
... In fact, we've started working towards this by encouraging people to blog and bundling them all up in one place: http://planet.ephox.com/ It's useful for...
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Steve Ropa
steveropa
Mar 1, 2007 11:07 pm
Hi Chris, Ok you said it better than I did. The only disagreement is that I really do want to hear "no, it isn't going to happen" if there really is no way....
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Steven Gordon
sfman2k
Mar 1, 2007 11:10 pm
I have no problem at all with fixed dates. However, today business goals are inherently dynamic. The business goal whose details can be fixed several months...
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Steve Ropa
steveropa
Mar 1, 2007 11:22 pm
Hmmm...you make some good points, but I must disagree about the business goals. While it is true they need to be somewhat dynamic, the overall goals can't be....
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Chris Wheeler
chris_h_wheeler
Mar 1, 2007 11:31 pm
Having changing business needs doesn't mean that you shouldn't plan a release. That's where my view is different. I really do think that today, I can know what...
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ryanpcooper
Mar 1, 2007 11:53 pm
Here's the business value: I get tens of millions in free advertising for my new 'energy drink' when you make it to the top of Everest in record time. Now tell...
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Chris Wheeler
chris_h_wheeler
Mar 1, 2007 11:59 pm
If the ROI is tens of millions, then perhaps $3-$10 million dollars invested in some rocket-powered vehicle would do the trick. I've been in these situations,...
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Steven Gordon
sfman2k
Mar 2, 2007 12:31 am
I suspect we differ on the definitions of things like goals and plans. Yes, if high level visionary goals are shifting, the business has a problem. What high...
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ryanpcooper
Mar 2, 2007 12:57 am
I think it would be hard to market the energy drink if you sed rocket technology to get to the top of Everest. :) That nitpick aside, I completely agree with...
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Cory Foy
cory_foy
Mar 2, 2007 12:59 am
... First, it was very disheartening to hear about mandatory management overtime from Gary. Second, 40 hours is just an arbitary number. As others have pointed...
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David Morash
david_morash
Mar 2, 2007 1:38 am
I don't think anything is wrong with either scenario, provided this is the start of a conversation on the feasibility and scope of both efforts....
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William Pietri
william_pietri
Mar 2, 2007 1:40 am
... Yep. I think of this as the "if you ain't sweatin', you ain't workin'" school of management. And although I disagree with it, I understand it. Software...
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Ian Collins
masumanz
Mar 2, 2007 1:54 am
... The problem there was letting PMs have a man-management role! Ian...
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Steven Gordon
sfman2k
Mar 2, 2007 2:28 am
Most of the time we cannot actually know whether we can do "it" or not. Furthermore, most of the time we really do not even know what "it" really entails until...
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Steven Gordon
sfman2k
Mar 2, 2007 2:33 am
Let me add an important phrase to the end of my middle paragraph: ... while simultaneously making demonstrable progress towards the goal....
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Ron Jeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Mar 2, 2007 3:14 am
Hello, Chris. On Thursday, March 1, 2007, at 5:43:21 PM, you ... I believe that ryan's point was that business needs do not imply that what is asked is...
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Ian Collins
masumanz
Mar 2, 2007 3:15 am
... One problem is the VP who relies on his underlings for advice and those underlings often fear being disempowered by agile development (self managing teams...
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Chris Wheeler
chris_h_wheeler
Mar 2, 2007 4:13 am
... We each choose what possible is. Project teams are no different. If I commit to making something possible, then I believe that I've chosen to make the ...
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Chris Wheeler
chris_h_wheeler
Mar 2, 2007 4:15 am
... What is the agile team doing that is leading to the bosses behaviour? Chris. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
