Does "less costly failure" == "success"? Everyone knows it's better to get out early than late if the ship is sinking, but to say that "Agile can't fail"...
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David H.
bitchauctioneer
Feb 1, 2008 8:58 am
... To stick with this team, usually employing something like Scrum and XP is ot necessarily about saving the ship but the humans on board of the ship. -d -- ...
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seidolce1960
Feb 1, 2008 1:05 pm
... David, I concur measuring to just measure is a waste of time. I often ask clients who have a lot of metrics and data, "what problem are you trying to...
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Phlip
phlipcpp
Feb 1, 2008 1:09 pm
... Some big projects start with a feasibility study. XP projects start by attempting to write a high value feature. If you can't write that feature - tested,...
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seidolce1960
Feb 1, 2008 1:18 pm
... Productivity should be defined as a unit of output. The output is the amount of functionality delivered. I, and some others, define it as function...
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Ron Jeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Feb 1, 2008 3:04 pm
Hello, David. On Friday, February 1, 2008, at 1:00:22 AM, you ... I would think this depends what we might mean by "answered";. I'd count stories done, or sum...
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Simon Jones
simontcb
Feb 1, 2008 3:19 pm
... <snip /> ... something right ... software product ... programmers... nice simple ... the ... other ... Ok, if you're a relatively small software house...
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Ron Jeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Feb 1, 2008 6:24 pm
... Yes, but it's still not success. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com If another does not intend offense, it is wrong for me to seek it; if another does...
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Steve
dukeytoo
Feb 1, 2008 6:31 pm
... to get some additional Agile ... David, I have watched the video, and read some of the function-point booklet. Thanks for putting that out there - it was...
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John A. De Goes
jdegoes
Feb 1, 2008 7:46 pm
Function points seem like a marketing mechanism for increasing demand for software consultants through the promise of revealing esoteric means of measuring the...
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David Carlton
carlton_db
Feb 1, 2008 8:00 pm
... That depends on your context. (And yes, this is probably obvious to you, I'm doubtless being excessively pedantic.) If the context is "we have an...
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Jim Shore
jdlshore
Feb 1, 2008 8:35 pm
Hi David, ... I would love to see quantitative comparisons of software development approaches. It would help me in my work as a consultant, and it would put...
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Laurent Bossavit
morendilfoo
Feb 1, 2008 9:12 pm
... I suppose that's where we start running into difficulties. Does "functionality" count, for instance, if it's never used by end users ? It seems to me that...
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Dale Emery
dalehemery
Feb 1, 2008 9:20 pm
Hi David, ... It also depends on your goal for the project, which, as much as the outcome, determines what you call success or failure. If your goal is to...
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Scott Ambler
scottwambler
Feb 1, 2008 9:51 pm
... are ... is ... I'm not saying that it's a perfect definition for agile, but what I'm looking for is fairly straightforward criteria that people can use to ...
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Scott Ambler
scottwambler
Feb 1, 2008 9:57 pm
... infeasible is... ... A success. The goal of a feasability study is to try to get a reasonable assessment as to the feasability of the effort. The ...
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David Carlton
carlton_db
Feb 1, 2008 11:18 pm
... Yeah. Which gives me two lessons: * Make sure your goals are aligned with the context. If the context is to do what's best for the company, you'd like the...
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seidolce1960
Feb 2, 2008 11:40 am
... Laurent, Great point. It is not uncommon for software projects to have more than 50% of their functionality NEVER used! This is really another metric...
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seidolce1960
Feb 2, 2008 11:56 am
... Jim, I and many others have addressed this issue many times over the past several years. I worked on a research project with some academics from the...
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thomas lissajoux
tom_wild_ride
Feb 2, 2008 11:58 am
Hi everyone, I want to point you to an international survey studying the effects of cooperation on work conditions, and discriminating agile teams/companies. ...
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seidolce1960
Feb 2, 2008 12:16 pm
... Sure there are a lot of variables... I have worked on several software acquisitions over the past years. It is common in an acquisition that the acquiring...
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Scott Ambler
scottwambler
Feb 2, 2008 12:29 pm
... by ... feature - ... infeasible. Really? Then how does the XP team get the initial funding to do this work? Seems to me that someone would need to ask...
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Laurent Bossavit
morendilfoo
Feb 2, 2008 12:29 pm
Hi David, ... In connection with this I recommend the book "Better" by Atul Gawande, where at the end he has these five simple recommendations for doctors who...
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Jeff Grigg
jeffgrigg63132
Feb 2, 2008 12:57 pm
... Yes, exactly: Aborting a doomed project as quickly as possible is a good thing. That doesn't make the project a success; all it does is save the company...
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Jeff Grigg
jeffgrigg63132
Feb 2, 2008 1:28 pm
... [At this point I'll emphasize the "deployed"; and "online" points in Phillip's post.] ... Yes, and yes. Certainly /any/ expenditure of resources -- time,...
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Steven Gordon
sfman2k
Feb 2, 2008 1:34 pm
An analogy to a company that executes lots of concurrent projects is a portfolio of investments. It is my distinct impression that selecting a collection of...
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seidolce1960
Feb 2, 2008 1:34 pm
... Laurent, Thanks for the recommendation. I have just order the book on Amazon. I really enjoy these type of books because they are based upon lessons from...
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Craig Davidson
craigdavidso...
Feb 2, 2008 2:56 pm
Hi David, Just because a piece of functionality is never used, doesn't mean that no one values it! and doesn't mean that that functionality doesn't sell the...
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Gary Brown
gb70840
Feb 2, 2008 3:19 pm
Hello, David! ... How many of the companies|products|projects, that you have studied, were using a software development method, that the members of the extreme...
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Ron Jeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Feb 2, 2008 6:29 pm
Hello, Steven. On Saturday, February 2, 2008, at 8:34:50 AM, you ... It still seems to me to be nigh on to meaningless to try to say that "agile succeeded" or...
