... The clincher here, of course, is the 'if it triggers' clause. If it never triggers before leaving the dev shop, and then starts triggering at customer ...
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Ron Jeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Oct 1, 2008 12:25 pm
Hello, Chris. On Wednesday, October 1, 2008, at 6:50:37 AM, you ... Given that it is something we don't have time to explore deeply, what /is/ your preferred...
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Chris Wheeler
chris_h_wheeler
Oct 1, 2008 1:44 pm
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Ron Jeffries ... Test it. Chris. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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Ron Jeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Oct 1, 2008 3:06 pm
Hello, Chris. On Wednesday, October 1, 2008, at 8:44:56 AM, you ... Easy answer. Suppose there isn't time to test it. Then what do you prefer? Ron Jeffries ...
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Chris Wheeler
chris_h_wheeler
Oct 1, 2008 5:24 pm
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Ron Jeffries ... If there's no time to test, then my experience tells me that some customer is going to find my defects for me...
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Ron Jeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Oct 1, 2008 6:43 pm
Hello, Chris. On Wednesday, October 1, 2008, at 12:24:46 PM, you ... Yes. It would surprise me, though, if you can end every shipping cycle with no important...
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Chris Wheeler
chris_h_wheeler
Oct 1, 2008 7:00 pm
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Ron Jeffries ... Well, no *major* questions. Maybe I wasn't clear in an earlier post, but I personally think the marking...
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Dave Rooney
daverooneyca
Oct 1, 2008 7:23 pm
...something along the lines of, "reuse should be a nice side effect, not a goal, of good design". I thought I saw it on this list a long time ago, but I've...
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John Carter
refactored
Oct 1, 2008 8:30 pm
... Oh, I agree, it would be best to test. But with a rapid release cycle do you get to test every possibility you ever thought of? At least with the assert in...
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Ron Jeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Oct 1, 2008 9:09 pm
Hello, Chris. On Wednesday, October 1, 2008, at 2:00:50 PM, you ... Ah, OK ... but by the hypothesis that we must ship and can't go after this one,...
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Julian Hall
julescov
Oct 1, 2008 9:13 pm
... Well, you've done it now. You're on John Scalzi's Canonical Bacon Page <http://scalzi.com/whatever/?page_id=1696> . :) [Non-text portions of this message...
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Adam Wildavsky
tameware
Oct 1, 2008 9:47 pm
I'm co-teaching an internal one-day "Intro to Agile" class with a focus on XP. Participants will be software engineers. The last time the only exercise we ran...
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Adam Wildavsky
tameware
Oct 1, 2008 9:59 pm
... Found one more: http://blog.excastle.com/2006/07/24/agile-2006-the-lego-xp-game/ -- Adam Wildavsky <adam@...> www.tameware.com [Non-text...
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Doug Stewart
tla.ironmug
Oct 2, 2008 12:33 am
I may be missing the point of this exercise, but wouldn't we want to present this to our customer(s) and have them schedule a story/task to handle the...
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D. André Dhondt
wile_e_kycodey
Oct 2, 2008 7:15 am
Dmitry, In skimming these responses I didn't see what I'd suggest, but sorry if this is repetitive: I've been really happy by going to my local Agile user's...
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James McGovern
jm04469
Oct 2, 2008 12:18 pm
Hi! I want to recruit you to my lending team, OWASP, on Kiva, a non-profit website that allows you to lend as little as $25 to a specific low-income...
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Kristofer Hansson
kristoferhson
Oct 2, 2008 12:32 pm
Hi Adam http://sites.google.com/site/tddproblems/ should be a good place to find examples. Check out the discussions on ...
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Ron Jeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Oct 2, 2008 1:48 pm
Hello, James. On Thursday, October 2, 2008, at 7:18:49 AM, you ... You've been placed on moderation for a perhaps well-intended spam violation. Ron Jeffries ...
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Phlip
phlipcpp
Oct 3, 2008 1:57 pm
... I have more quotes out there that others attributed to someone else. Someone attributed "if you run out of room on your story cards, use smaller cards" to ...
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Dave Rooney
daverooneyca
Oct 3, 2008 2:28 pm
Thanks! What list was that from - I couldn't find it in the archives of the XP list. Dave Rooney Mayford Technologies "Helping you become AGILE... to SURVIVE...
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Marco Dorantes
marcodorantes
Oct 3, 2008 6:19 pm
As a general reflection about our personal steps on software development, on the current agile paths, and on the fact that the essence of many good ideas...
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banshee858
Oct 3, 2008 6:34 pm
... What are you trying to train? I have developed a number of these trainings and my first suggestion is to ask yourself "What is the purpose of this...
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Dale Emery
dalehemery
Oct 3, 2008 7:39 pm
Hi Marco, —your critical feedback will be much appreciated. I think the scientific methods fits software development better in the long term than in the...
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Marco Dorantes
marcodorantes
Oct 3, 2008 8:25 pm
Thank you very much Dale, your feedback has helped me a lot. Kenneth Boulding was quoted by John C. Gordon in this book ...
... Yes totally. Test isolation is among the many XP factors that help your code decouple. For any of your object's states, you should be able to rapidly write...
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kentb
kentlbeck
Oct 4, 2008 3:03 pm
Phlip, +1 on test isolation. The next big feature we're working on adding to JUnit is a test runner that dynamically reorders tests to provide most of the ...
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Tim Ottinger
linux_tim
Oct 4, 2008 7:39 pm
I is for Isolation R if for Repeatable. FIRST....
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Phlip
phlipcpp
Oct 4, 2008 8:34 pm
... Oooh ooh lemme try! Frequent Isolated Repeatable Systemic Terse Do I qualify as a Pragmatic Programmer author now? (Uh, don't answer that;) -- Phlip...
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Tim Ottinger
linux_tim
Oct 4, 2008 9:00 pm
... Fast Isolated Repeatable Self-validating Timely ... I don't know why you should, since I don't either. tim...
