... I wouldn't know where to start on writing such an article. How can an automated tool know what the programmer intended? I looked at one such tool, years...
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Charlie Poole
cpoole98370
Mar 20, 2012 5:23 pm
My feeling is that test-generation *might* be useful in *some* applications after the code was developed using TDD. Some apps (fewer than many people think)...
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Daniel Wildt
dwildt2
Mar 20, 2012 5:41 pm
I know this one... http://www.agitar.com/solutions/products/automated_junit_generation.html -- Daniel Wildt (+55 51 99989030) - @dwildt...
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M. Manca
micronpn
Mar 20, 2012 6:36 pm
Il 20/03/2012 18:41, Daniel Wildt ha scritto: I need to correct myself: when I wrote "article" I was meaning a magazine article not a software tool or product....
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Adam Sroka
adam.sroka@...
Mar 20, 2012 6:54 pm
I have heard the argument before and I have seen some of the tools that attempt to do this. I haven't delved deeply into it, but my initial impression is that...
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james@...
jwgrenning
Mar 20, 2012 7:28 pm
Funny, I had a client using tools like this last week. I agree with Adam that these tests are of little value. Aside from helping achieve a metric (that...
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M. Manca
micronpn
Mar 20, 2012 7:43 pm
... So we all agree that these tools have little value. This is a good thing, now how can we communicate this idea to the embedded developers community?...
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james@...
jwgrenning
Mar 20, 2012 8:23 pm
I might break the news to some of them at my Embedded Systems Conference sessions next week. ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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JeffGrigg
jeffgrigg63132
Mar 21, 2012 2:58 am
Agitar's Agitator is an excellent tool. Probably the best one on the market. (If you want 2nd best, and also like dealing with an extremely pushy sales...
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tony_t_tubbs
Mar 21, 2012 12:59 pm
How does this work in practice? I get the impression this is suppose to be or suggested to be more or less an easy button that primes a virgin workstation to...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Mar 21, 2012 1:02 pm
Ron, In what ways would an XP team expect code to get 'better'? Is code betterness (carefully avoiding the term maturity here) importnat enough to an XP team...
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RonJeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Mar 21, 2012 1:23 pm
Hello Marvin, ... As may have occurred to you, in order to actually do incremental delivery of software, the design must evolve. The characteristics of good...
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RonJeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Mar 21, 2012 1:44 pm
Hi Tony, ... I don't recall ever hearing of "Continuous Outegration" before, and it hurts my ears so much I hope I never hear it again. :) That said, the...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Mar 21, 2012 1:50 pm
Ron, It seems to me the Agile movement at large has become more interested in process (aka practise) than valuable (working) software (product). Said more...
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Buddha Buck
buddhabuck
Mar 21, 2012 1:55 pm
... It appears to be an attempted coinage from 2004 or so. It has an entry on the c2 wiki last edited in 2005. I agree with your aesthetic assessment of the...
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Lior Friedman
friedmanlior
Mar 21, 2012 2:04 pm
... That is not my observation. ... This is the second lash at Agile Coaches. BTW I completely disagree with you, while some people like myself are making...
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George Dinwiddie
gdinwiddie
Mar 21, 2012 2:05 pm
Marvin, ... I don't think that's true, though I do think that some subsets, mostly with a management background, do have that focus. When I work with ...
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Dave Rooney
daverooneyca
Mar 21, 2012 2:11 pm
Lior & George, Mr. Toll has spent a the past couple of years bashing the Agile world. He has already made his mind up on how that world should look, and ...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Mar 21, 2012 2:12 pm
Curtis, This is really interesting to me... For some reason I presume that senior people intuitively begin to look at code from an agility perspective. As a...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Mar 21, 2012 2:23 pm
George... I find your observations enormously encouraging - thank you for sharing them. My observations were validated within the past ten days by David...
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Curtis Cooley
TheDarkSavant
Mar 21, 2012 2:34 pm
... contradicting yourself here. Metrics measure doing not being, so if you are trying to be agile and not do agile, metrics are not the answer. Plus, I assert...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Mar 21, 2012 2:39 pm
Lior, Point well taken. Could you recommend some coaches whose primary focus is on software agility - not necessarily changing people? _Marvin...
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tony_t_tubbs
Mar 21, 2012 2:39 pm
Sorry to have brought up the bad verbiage. I just learned it myself, and was the best term to express the concept I'm asking about. I also saw something like...
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Curtis Cooley
TheDarkSavant
Mar 21, 2012 2:57 pm
... agility focused: Continuous Integration - people problem - 0 Whole Team - people problem - 0 TDD - arguably code, but also a skill people should learn -...
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RonJeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Mar 21, 2012 3:07 pm
Marvin, ... How do you imagine that the output that people produce could be changed without the people themselves changing? Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com I...
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Lior Friedman
friedmanlior
Mar 21, 2012 3:26 pm
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 4:39 PM, MarvinToll.com <MarvinToll@...> ... If you are actually looking for one, please contact me privately and I'll do my...
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George Dinwiddie
gdinwiddie
Mar 21, 2012 3:27 pm
Marvin, ... I hear you say that you observed David Anderson hint that he had made an observation that the Agile community was focused on process rather than...
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Charlie Poole
cpoole98370
Mar 21, 2012 4:26 pm
Hi Marvin, ... It seems to me that the Agile Movement is too amorphous for such generalizations to be very useful. Clearly, there are some folks who focus on...
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M. Manca
micronpn
Mar 21, 2012 5:36 pm
... Sometimes I used it (not correctly) when I try to explain what means "continuous improvement" that is a kaizen practice used by teams doing kanban and...
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Joshua
thejavafreak
Mar 22, 2012 1:31 am
Hi, Sorry to confuse you. In Scrum the work within the Sprint gets inspected during Sprint Review. How does the work in the XP Iteration gets reviewed? Is...
