Hi George, This is called Goodhart's law. I think it was tweeted around a bit during the CalmAlpha event a while back, maybe that's where you saw it. ...
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Adrian Howard
ajh65537
Apr 1, 2012 11:26 pm
Hi Amir, Somewhat belated reply. Sorry - been busy. Comments inlined below... ... I don't disagree with any of this... but it's not always not as clear cut as...
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Adrian Howard
ajh65537
Apr 2, 2012 12:06 am
Hi MarvinToll.com, I'm afraid I still have no real idea from your references what it is to practice "Software Agility". ... [snip] Having understandable code...
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George Dinwiddie
gdinwiddie
Apr 2, 2012 12:23 am
Wouter, ... Thanks very much! Now that you've given me the name, I remember where I saw it. It was in Better Software, in an article by Lee Copeland. (Isn't it...
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Amir Kolsky
kolsky
Apr 2, 2012 4:34 am
Sticking to the inline tradition. ... is ... I don't disagree with any of this... but it's not always not as clear cut as "bug". It's can be much more subtle...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Apr 2, 2012 12:14 pm
Thanks for engaging Adrian - in a very useful way. If I may paraphrase your comment: 'Is PED simply another coding standard?... If so, no big deal!' So let's...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Apr 2, 2012 12:39 pm
By the way... I don't want to give the impression that the strategy used by PED is the only way to pursue Software Agility in general or "understanability" in...
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Alfredo Chávez
alfredo_chv
Apr 2, 2012 12:43 pm
All in all, it still sounds to me like StyleCop meets "let's go back to Hungarian notation". "MarvinToll.com" <MarvinToll@...> escribió: Thanks for...
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gplfreak
Apr 2, 2012 2:28 pm
Here at Integrum, we record a weekly podcast called the "ScrumCast". The ScrumCast is where we discuss a variety of topics related to Agile adoption, Scrum,...
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Steven Gordon
sfman2k
Apr 2, 2012 3:04 pm
... To me the team includes the product owner, business analyst and other business-side collaborators. I assume you are using team to mean the developers...
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Amir Kolsky
kolsky
Apr 2, 2012 3:34 pm
We all know that the team includes the product owner. The question in the case had to do with how to know if the technical members of "the team" are improving....
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Steven Gordon
sfman2k
Apr 2, 2012 4:04 pm
... It seems to me that code quality and bug rates are both at least as important as cycle time or velocity as an indicator of technical improvement. Of...
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Steven Gordon
sfman2k
Apr 2, 2012 4:16 pm
... Ok, lets dig a little deeper. Do we agree that following PED does not guarantee understandable code? Do we agree that there is no single strategy that...
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RonJeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Apr 2, 2012 6:25 pm
... Yes. That's how Scrum uses the term. XP, of course, refers to the whole team. Even there, however, the XP Customer role owns the decision of what to do, in...
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Amir Kolsky
kolsky
Apr 2, 2012 8:02 pm
Bugs are directly related to cycle time. If you have no bugs - you don't have to rework and hence the cycle time stays short. Code qualities have to do with...
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Adrian Howard
ajh65537
Apr 3, 2012 4:08 am
Hi Amir, ... Likewise. ... I find that for many folk this isn't a clear distinction - and different groups in an organisation can have very different ideas of...
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Adrian Howard
ajh65537
Apr 3, 2012 4:08 am
Hi Amir, ... A quick example from personal experience. With one client I spent a lot of time bringing in a *much* more stringent done-done for features that...
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Amir Kolsky
kolsky
Apr 3, 2012 6:16 am
When you change the definition of "Done" you are not measuring the same cycle time. The reason that you saw the cycle time increasing is that you were going ...
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Adrian Howard
ajh65537
Apr 3, 2012 10:43 am
... I'm afraid it doesn't excite me - quite the opposite unfortunately. It makes the presence of some kinds of design patterns more explicit in the source -...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Apr 3, 2012 11:44 am
Just because it looks like a sylistic concern and Hungarian notation does not mean that it is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_notation The concern is...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Apr 3, 2012 11:49 am
Those that embrace Software Agility in general, and global code understanability in particular... are sure to find creative ways to accomplish the goal. Said...
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RonJeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Apr 3, 2012 12:00 pm
Marvin, You keep talking about Software Agility, as it is something. How can we embrace something when you won't tell us what it is? How can we be committed to...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Apr 3, 2012 12:26 pm
Here are the seven design concerns (in alphabetical order) that constitute Software Agility... thus establishing the discussion roadmap: Debuggability ...
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Steven Gordon
sfman2k
Apr 3, 2012 12:26 pm
... Although I do believe 1. it is more important for the people who work with the code in order to generate business value to understand the code than the...
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Steven Gordon
sfman2k
Apr 3, 2012 12:32 pm
Just being concerned about issues does not constitute a solution. My understanding is the Software Agility posits that one-size-fits-all standards and metrics...
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RonJeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Apr 3, 2012 12:32 pm
So Software Agility is not a method, a process, nor a recommendation, but a large menu of concerns? R ... Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com There's no word for...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Apr 3, 2012 12:42 pm
The Agile Manifesto has (4) Values and (12) Principles - a great conversation starter. Software Agility begins a conversation with (7) Concerns....
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Apr 3, 2012 12:49 pm
Adrian - It would be great to see an alternate implementation of the RefApp. This would give folks a couple of different strategies to compare...
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Alfredo Chávez
alfredo_chv
Apr 3, 2012 5:45 pm
Yet another instance of "tools and process over people and interactions" "MarvinToll.com" <MarvinToll@...> escribió: Adrian - It would be great to...
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Tim Ottinger
linux_tim
Apr 4, 2012 12:19 am
Well, sustained cycle time maybe. Burst cycle time shouldn't be rewarded. You can make your work seem faster for a little while by super effort or by cutting...
