Chet, Thanks for picking up on this. Most people talk about the more prolific Class patterns vs. the more controverial Method patterns. Truthfully, the method...
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Kevin Trethewey
kevint@...
Apr 5, 2012 11:19 am
Perhaps this would be more effectively achieved through a 'meta' approach - a graphical plugin that automagically detects and highlights common OO patterns? ...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Apr 5, 2012 11:19 am
Charlie, Wow that does sound bad. "one is doing it as a memorized set of steps, without understanding." Reminds me of when I first started memorizing piano...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Apr 5, 2012 11:02 am
Alfredo, I agree with you... "code understandability comes from _context". And one of those contexts is architectural... so the trick is how to communicate...
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Steven Gordon
sfman2k
Apr 5, 2012 9:03 am
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Chet Hendrickson ... This sounds inconsistent with your view that patterns are like a dictionary. If the code is using a...
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Chet Hendrickson
suechet
Apr 5, 2012 4:48 am
Hello Marvin, Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 11:32:39 PM, you wrote: Said another way... it is fine to use patterns... and it is fine to not use them. However, if...
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Chet Hendrickson
suechet
Apr 5, 2012 4:02 am
Hello Charlie, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I have been saying for sometime now that pattern literature should be look upon as a dictionary and not a...
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Charlie Poole
cpoole98370
Apr 5, 2012 3:53 am
Hi Marvin, ... Ron used the word and I just echoed it, adding "or otherwise replicate" in parenteheses. However, I believe that doing something by rote is...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Apr 5, 2012 3:53 am
Ron, Global understandability of code emerged as a concern in the context of global sourcing... where people from different cultures, countries, contexts and...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Apr 5, 2012 3:44 am
In-line... ... Of course... PED simply identifies understandability as one of the seven concerns for those interested in being an effective author of code. ......
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Apr 5, 2012 3:32 am
Charlie, I'm not sure how we got to using patterns by rote? In fact, I'm not sure what using a pattern by rote really means. An optional set of patterns...
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Steven Gordon
sfman2k
Apr 5, 2012 1:43 am
... Working on more or fewer things at once could be due to the stories at a particular time all requiring the same specific skills, preventing the team from...
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Amir Kolsky
kolsky
Apr 4, 2012 9:51 pm
I stipulate that it does measure productivity but no directly. Assuming that the {business owner / product owner / product champion / customer / Big Kahuna /...
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Steven Gordon
sfman2k
Apr 4, 2012 9:03 pm
Then do we agree that cycle time is a good thing to measure, but it does not measure "productivity" or anything other than cycle time? ... Isn't velocity also...
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Amir Kolsky
kolsky
Apr 4, 2012 8:29 pm
Cycle time does not directly measure any specific parameter. However, it is influenced by all the other parameters. If you see cycle time reducing - you're...
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Charlie Poole
cpoole98370
Apr 4, 2012 8:16 pm
Hi Ron, Aside from just agreeing (which I do) with everything you wrote, I'd like to point out that the notion of patterns as something to follow by rote (or ...
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Steven Gordon
sfman2k
Apr 4, 2012 4:34 pm
... And what you are measuring is only cycle time (which is a good thing to optimize). You are not measuring how that cycle time is being reduced (or ...
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Amir Kolsky
kolsky
Apr 4, 2012 4:17 pm
You measure across two set points. You can then measure the ongoing improvement between these two points. The larger the "distance"; the more of the...
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Adrian Howard
ajh65537
Apr 4, 2012 3:10 pm
Hi Amir, ... [snip] That makes sense - but leads to an obvious question. What can you change process wise and _not_ change the value stream in some way? :-) ...
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Alfredo Chávez
alfredo_chv
Apr 4, 2012 3:01 pm
Hi Marvin I, like Ron, am very interested in what makes software better. But I see a conceptual mismatch in the discussion, whether intentional or not: I do...
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Steven Gordon
sfman2k
Apr 4, 2012 1:46 pm
... I have no problem understanding you. You have a repeated demonstrated that either you do not understand what I write or choose to ignore it. I use a ...
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RonJeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Apr 4, 2012 10:22 am
Hi Tim, ... Yes! The ability of code to be understood does not come from rote things like patterns, and in fact naming the pattern you're using in code is...
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M. Manca
micronpn
Apr 4, 2012 9:16 am
Il 04/04/2012 10:41, MarvinToll.com ha scritto: Marvin, I am involved in daily work about embedded development both in hardware and firmware. In this context I...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Apr 4, 2012 8:41 am
Steve, I know I've repeatedly demonstrate an inability to adequatly communicate with you. Perhaps if you could provide me some context? Do you code daily? Do...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Apr 4, 2012 8:30 am
Tim, Thanks for engaging. Your post spawned two questions: 1. When is the right time to use an Implementation Pattern (vs. a Design Pattern)? 2. Have you...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Apr 4, 2012 8:24 am
Alfredo, I'm trying to spawn an opportunity for people to interact over a couple of different approaches to global understandability of software. _Marvin...
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Amir Kolsky
kolsky
Apr 4, 2012 7:05 am
LOL, "vaguely relevant?" ... From: extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com [mailto:extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Poole Sent: Tuesday,...
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Charlie Poole
cpoole98370
Apr 4, 2012 5:30 am
You reminded me of something that happened to me 10 or 12 years ago. I should warn you that it's only vaguely relevant to this thread, but amusing in a dark...
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Amir Kolsky
kolsky
Apr 4, 2012 5:21 am
Guys, if you cut corners, in the not so short term the cycle time WILL GO UP. From: extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com ...
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Tim Ottinger
linux_tim
Apr 4, 2012 12:26 am
... Just for the record, my advice to people is that the right time to use a design pattern in code is when _not_ using it makes the code _even_ _worse_. I...
