Ok: Marvin, Why do you want to do your thing in the context of Agile? Steve ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Apr 9, 2012 5:12 pm
I agree Curtis... the merge cannot be XP... otherwise it would not be a balanced synthesis of all that has been offered. On the other hand... one would not...
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Charlie Poole
cpoole98370
Apr 9, 2012 5:50 pm
Hi Ron, I think this goes somewhat in the direction Marvin may be pointing. If we ... LOL Charlie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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Charlie Poole
cpoole98370
Apr 9, 2012 6:07 pm
Hi Marvin, I think you have given the best explanation so far about what you're doing. I wish you had done it before. If you merge the American Revolution with...
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Kay A Pentecost
tranzpuppy
Apr 9, 2012 7:25 pm
Hi, Ron, Everybody, I think there is great value in this thread, but none of the value really pertains to doing XP or "Agile" better, or promoting "Agile"...
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RonJeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Apr 9, 2012 7:44 pm
Again, may I suggest that it is more respectful to address these concerns TO the participant rather than talk ABOUT him? R ... Ron Jeffries ...
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Kay A Pentecost
tranzpuppy
Apr 9, 2012 9:42 pm
Hi, Ron, I understand what you are saying. It was/is not my intention to "correct" or "change" the poster. I hoped to make the *group* aware of what he was...
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John Roth
jhrothjr
Apr 9, 2012 10:17 pm
Some years ago I heard a claim that one of the standard code complexity metrics could reliably tell the difference between code written with TDD and code not...
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RonJeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Apr 9, 2012 10:19 pm
Very interesting article from Steve Denning, a non-geek who totally gets what we are all talking about. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com There's no word for...
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Charlie Poole
cpoole98370
Apr 9, 2012 10:23 pm
Good to know! Care to share the URL or other point of publication with us? Charlie ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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John Roth
jhrothjr
Apr 9, 2012 10:24 pm
Ron, whatever it is didn't come through. Here's another from a statistics geek talking about another problem with measurements that don't mean anything: ...
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RonJeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Apr 9, 2012 10:28 pm
Hi Charlie and John, ... I linked the words "interesting article" actually. I guess you're some of those text guys ... ...
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Adam Sroka
adam.sroka@...
Apr 9, 2012 10:29 pm
My heuristic for looking at code is very simple: 1) does it have unit tests? 2) can I understand the programmer's intent? 3) Is the intent expressed plainly,...
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PAUL
beckfordp...
Apr 9, 2012 10:30 pm
Hi Charlie, I'm from your side of the argument, trust me. But I also see Incongruence in what is being said. Either Agile is: A) a set of values and...
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Charlie Poole
cpoole98370
Apr 9, 2012 11:48 pm
Thanks, it is indeed intereesting... although I've had pretty good luck getting top level executives to understand agile. It's the mid-level where I run into a...
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Charlie Poole
cpoole98370
Apr 10, 2012 12:00 am
Hi Paul, ... OK... although neither of these seem to be what Marvin is using as a definition of "software agility." ... Yes, I'm with you on that. ... I'd put...
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Gary Brown
gb70840
Apr 10, 2012 12:29 am
Hello, Paul! ... To me, XP is a set of values and principles _and_ a set of technical practices. Agile has become do WTF you want and call yourself agile. ...
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Adam Sroka
adam.sroka@...
Apr 10, 2012 12:42 am
... I agree with what you say XP is, and with most of the rest of your excellent response to Paul. Agile to me means the values expressed in the manifesto, and...
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RonJeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Apr 10, 2012 1:10 am
Hello, Paul, ... Tyranny of the or. Fundamental error, from which no recovery is really possible. Agile is a set of values and principles, at least one of...
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RonJeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Apr 10, 2012 1:17 am
+1 with a smile. R ... Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com Sometimes I give myself admirable advice, but I am incapable of taking it. -- Mary Wortley Montagu ...
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Tim Ottinger
linux_tim
Apr 10, 2012 1:46 am
... Or else it means "modern and good" in which case is really means nothing. Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android [Non-text portions of this message have been...
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Tom
rossentj
Apr 10, 2012 2:40 am
Marvin doing his thing here is like Archer Daniels Midland (an agribusiness "SLE") asking the Sierra Club to endorse their greenwashing. It ain't gonna...
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PAUL
beckfordp...
Apr 10, 2012 5:51 am
Hi All, Thanks for the responses. My post could have been better crafted but most of you got the gist. We have a responsibility here, which may involve turning...
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Charlie Poole
cpoole98370
Apr 10, 2012 7:20 am
Hi Paul, It seems to me that these definitional issues only come up in general discussions - often on mailing lists like this one. When working with clients, I...
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M. Manca
micronpn
Apr 10, 2012 7:32 am
... Ron, it is a true never end story, to innovate something it is not only necessary a specific academic/school set of notions, best of all it is necessary to...
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PAUL
beckfordp...
Apr 10, 2012 10:02 am
Hi Charlie, ... Good question. Firstly I think we should acknowledge that there is a problem and discuss it openly. My take is that many companies already...
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Theresa
tjforster
Apr 10, 2012 10:12 am
Greetings, My Name Is Theresa, I work in an agile shop in Gatwick, I was blown away when i discovered Agile and where I work is a place of learning for me. I...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Apr 10, 2012 10:49 am
Adam, Do you think communicating patterns used with package names, class names, and method names is "expressing plainly" or a "clever or tricky way"? _Marvin...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
Apr 10, 2012 10:56 am
Whew... thank you Charle... I was beginning to doubt my ability to connect-the-dots in a way that made sense to anyone else. I also wish this articulation had...
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M. Manca
micronpn
Apr 10, 2012 11:13 am
... It depends, if it is enough for the team and the customer it is ok. I have some problems to understand your thought. I think that if your way to develop...
