Il 15/05/2012 15:44, MarvinToll.com ha scritto: Marvin, I think that when some engineers have different ideas and they compare honestly what they think every...
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George Dinwiddie
gdinwiddie
May 15, 2012 2:48 pm
Adam, ... I don't think that's true. The acceptance tests are at a higher conceptual level, and represent the business desires rather than the implementation....
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George Dinwiddie
gdinwiddie
May 15, 2012 2:59 pm
Charlie, ... I'm not sure where your disagreement lies here. I agree with what you say, but I tend to substitute the word "example" for the word "test" because...
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George Dinwiddie
gdinwiddie
May 15, 2012 3:15 pm
Hi, Charlie, ... I'm not sure BDD dictates a particular syntax, either. My understanding is that BDD wanted to avoid the heavily loaded term "test" that seemed...
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Steven Gordon
sfman2k
May 15, 2012 3:15 pm
... I mean open sharing of code and ideas, not some third party sitting down and reading through the code. This kind of collaboration is central to the agile...
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George Dinwiddie
gdinwiddie
May 15, 2012 3:35 pm
Paul, ... I think BDD has done no such thing. Perhaps you have focused on that and associated it with BDD. ... I'm not even sure which "language"; you mean. Are...
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Charlie Poole
cpoole98370
May 15, 2012 3:46 pm
Hi George, On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:15 AM, George Dinwiddie ... As I wrote in a separate post, I should have said that each BDD person I run into seems ready...
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Charlie Poole
cpoole98370
May 15, 2012 3:57 pm
Hi George, <snip/> ... I agree. Charlie...
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Adam Sroka
adam.sroka@...
May 15, 2012 4:09 pm
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:48 AM, George Dinwiddie ... On further reflection this seems like a silly thing to argue about. IMO, it comes down to how we define...
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PAUL
beckfordp...
May 15, 2012 4:29 pm
George, ... I agree, that's a gross over generalization. Having said that I am aware of books on BDD tools (Cucumber, Rspec). No books on BDD itself. In...
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James Grenning
jwgrenning
May 15, 2012 4:48 pm
... I've seen where the focus of the reviews shift after adopting TDD and pair programming. Us decided we could focus in reviews on the key questions: Does...
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George Dinwiddie
gdinwiddie
May 15, 2012 7:25 pm
Charlie, ... Which tools are you talking about? To be honest, when I played with C# and NUnit some years back, I used the rspec-ish syntax (which I associated...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
May 15, 2012 7:38 pm
Steve... A couple of question for you: Do you think my work with Patterns in the context of Global Sourcing at Ford Motor Company was done to explicitly...
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George Dinwiddie
gdinwiddie
May 15, 2012 7:39 pm
Paul, ... Perhaps that says that BDD is *more* tool agnostic. Certainly the languages of Cucumber and Rspec are very different. What TDD book doesn't include a...
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George Dinwiddie
gdinwiddie
May 15, 2012 8:19 pm
Paul, ... You might also be interested in ATDD By Example (http://amzn.to/Kdkyt3) by Markus Gartner, due out in July. I've not read the final text of this ...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
May 15, 2012 9:09 pm
Alright... I'll answer these question and then I'll shut-up about this. ... The effort invested in establishing, communicating and providing a reference...
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PAUL
beckfordp...
May 15, 2012 11:18 pm
Hi George, ... Thanks for the book recommendations. I've visited Goyko's website and thought yes! I must get his book. I'm not anti-BDD. I use BDD by choice...
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Charlie Poole
cpoole98370
May 16, 2012 12:07 am
Hi George, ... My first intro to BDD was in the days of jBehave. The person explaining it to me told me my personal view of testing was fatally flawed because...
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RonJeffries
RonaldEJeffries
May 16, 2012 12:30 am
Hi Charlie, ... I confess that I don't like it either, and for the same reason I don't like most of the given when thingies: I can't read them easily as...
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Charlie Poole
cpoole98370
May 16, 2012 1:39 am
Hi Ron, ... That's why it's good to have a choice of tools or for a tool like NUnit to give a choice of syntaxes. As I have said before, I didn't implement the...
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extremeprogrammer
extremeprogr...
May 16, 2012 7:26 am
... "xUnit Patterns" means "Patterns for Using xUnit", not "Using xUnit to Test Patterns"...
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JeffGrigg
jeffgrigg63132
May 16, 2012 9:18 am
... I've always had a hard time holding up my end of a coherent conversation at 5am EST. ;-> [And, quite ironically, I've just checked the clocks: It just...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
May 16, 2012 12:03 pm
Lambdas are available with Java 8 - ( http://jdk8.java.net/lambda/ ) Using a (very) broad brush for the Java world... we have seen with the last three releases...
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George Dinwiddie
gdinwiddie
May 16, 2012 2:46 pm
Charlie, ... Yes, that. While it didn't say "should," it seemed more natural and convenient to use those matchers after using rspec for awhile. But I've been...
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Charlie Poole
cpoole98370
May 16, 2012 4:10 pm
Hi George, On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 7:46 AM, George Dinwiddie ... I think it's perfectly reasonable to have personal habits and idiosyncracies, so long as those...
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JeffGrigg
jeffgrigg63132
May 16, 2012 8:11 pm
In the Java world, we wish we had LINQ. And Lambdas. But some of that is more convenience than substance. We've had anonymous inner classes in Java for some...
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George Dinwiddie
gdinwiddie
May 17, 2012 8:32 am
Charlie, ... Exactly right, in my opinion. - George -- ... * George Dinwiddie * http://blog.gdinwiddie.com Software Development...
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
May 17, 2012 11:45 am
This sounds like inheritance to me....
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MarvinToll.com
y153446
May 17, 2012 12:26 pm
A trivial thought occurring during my daily ten-mile bike ride yesterday... It was 26 years (1959 - 1985) for COBOL to stabilize with the release of COBOL 85. ...
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Charlie Poole
cpoole98370
May 17, 2012 3:11 pm
Hi Marvin, ... It could be, provided that the relevant parts of the framework are (1) user-accessible and (2) designed to be inherited from. As a first cut at...
