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... and ... True or false: Sometimes you get a bug report from "the field" (somewhere beyond the Functional Tests). If the FTs did not catch it, you must add a...
6 Jan 12, 2000
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In OO-systems objects often depend on other objects to fullfill their job. But how do you test this? The book "Lange Scale C++ Software Design" describes the...
43 Jan 12, 2000
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I really like the food emphasis in XP and I just wanted to let everyone know that one of my co-workers brought in his George Foreman grill and grilled a steak...
3 Jan 12, 2000
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... A> The project only recently started the XP migration process & the FT system is incomplete. B> The bug is _surprising_, and appears in an area nobody...
2 Jan 11, 2000
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What do "station" and "bin" mean? Are they just C3 terms for part of its metaphor or do they have a more general use? Perhaps in a pattern I haven't...
3 Jan 10, 2000
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According to Kent, Ward once said that writing tests first is a design strategy, not a testing strategy. This certainly seems to be so. When we write tests...
51 Jan 9, 2000
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The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to comp.object,comp.software-eng as well. ... Sorry, I was being obtuse. I keep...
5 Jan 9, 2000
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... tested ... you ... From here you could argue more productively with John Lakos than with me. But if a test breaks, and you Extremely dive in looking for...
2 Jan 9, 2000
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... From: "Mark Windholtz" <Windholtz@...> ... While I believe there is merit in using XP, I also think the successes observed so far are at least...
2 Jan 8, 2000
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If anyone wants to have some public refactoring practice Squeak (for anyone who hasn't tried it) is an open source smalltalk developed by some very famous...
1 Jan 8, 2000
2:32 pm

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I've tried to write up a very brief (6pp) overview of XP based on Kent's book "eXtreme Programming Explained." The idea is to describe XP principles, values,...
1 Jan 8, 2000
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... Of course everyone needs a design in mind, and if they aren't quite up to it on any given day, or every given day, then they should get it. That's why...
1 Jan 8, 2000
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... I'm OK with that. ... Mostly yes. But it sounds quite enthusiastic to me. Many programmers I know are a bit selfish and love their own code. For me it's...
3 Jan 6, 2000
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... XP certainly doesn't claim that the source code of an extensible module is inviolate. That is, rather, the definition of OCP. OCP compliance allows us to...
2 Jan 6, 2000
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... XP has made me look at OCP more as a metric or goal than a principle of day to day design. Sure it would be nice (ideal even) if extending a class always...
1 Jan 6, 2000
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Hi, I'm new to this mailing list, and I don't know if this point was discussed before. I always get confused when I read terms like Collective Code Ownership ...
4 Jan 6, 2000
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... From my perspective, the OCP implies this sort of flexibility, but this sort of flexibility does not imply the OCP. I don't remember anything in what I've...
1 Jan 6, 2000
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... Michael, just curious: What's your most recent view on your (former) perception that MethodsShouldBePublic? Do you refactor? Or do you "mark" as private?...
2 Jan 6, 2000
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... Bob Binder has a pattern called "Percolation&quot; that describes how to do this. It's in his book "Testing O-O Software" which came out in October. It also...
3 Jan 6, 2000
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<brougham2@...> wrote in message news:g9tvOEuL+JwgdytR6VTasnqHZLeH@.... ... three ... can ... The advantage is that you need one third the...
38 Jan 6, 2000
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backwards...
1 Jan 5, 2000
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... DoTheSimplestThingThatWorks, ... Control ... I'm surprised that you can't produce the BigDesign at the same time you are producing the code. Is coding...
2 Jan 5, 2000
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... This is a very nice way to put it and to me also explains why many people in the beginning tend to be fundamentalists about XP. ... I totally agree with...
1 Jan 5, 2000
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... It is certainly true that testing is a specialization that requires training and educations. It is also certainly true that there are quite a few systems...
1 Jan 5, 2000
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... From: Dan Rawsthorne [mailto:DanR@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2000 6:48 PM To: 'otug' Subject: (OTUG) Why XP works, IMHO I have been looking at...
1 Jan 5, 2000
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... I'm not sure I'd say it that way. The term "up front" implies "before code". We don't do much design before code, but we do a *lot* of design while we...
3 Jan 5, 2000
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... Right. And as I said in another message, *you* are the customer of the development environment, and therefore get to specify what features it has. If you...
3 Jan 4, 2000
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... (blush) I should have couched that statement in a lot more context than I did. The orignial poster was suggesting that XP was riskier if you had developed...
2 Jan 4, 2000
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... Functional tests are defined by the customer. They are a kind of restatement of the user stories in very formal terms. They provide certain stimuli to...
1 Jan 4, 2000
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Robert C. Martin
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Hi, I have created an email discussion group for XP and put you guys in it. I hope you don't mind. Discussion of Extreme Programming practices and principles...
1 Jan 1, 2000
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