This came up at the XPImmersionTwo course today. It is also something similar to what I have been doing with testing servlets. The servlet problem: The...
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Tim Mackinnon
timm@...
Mar 1, 2000 8:47 am
... Yes - write your code so that you can "Mock Up" the distributed bits locally. As pointed out - distributed stuff is very finicky, so make sure you unit...
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Duncan Gibson
duncan@...
Mar 1, 2000 9:39 am
I have a poster above my desk which reads: "The man who makes no mistakes does not usually make anything." Once I adopted that as a philosophy, I found life...
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Hans Wegener
hans.wegener@...
Mar 1, 2000 9:42 am
... To extend the point - it's all about testing framework extensions. The only workable solution I have come across is separate "application functionality"...
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Jim McFarland
j.mcfarland@...
Mar 1, 2000 1:51 pm
... I agree with Phlip in that I am not sure that "the requirements keep shifting" is always an "excuse". Sometimes it is a fact that you cannot control....
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Phlip
phlip@...
Mar 1, 2000 2:18 pm
From: Jim McFarland ... I believe I wrecked Steve's example, in which the requirements did _not_ shift a lot, but the programmer blamed them anyway. So let's...
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Ron Jeffries
RonJeffries@...
Mar 1, 2000 3:05 pm
... Change of requirements is a fact that, in XP, the customer controls. By knowing the cost of any card, the customer chooses cards that lead to a successful...
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Kent Beck
kentbeck@...
Mar 1, 2000 3:20 pm
I kind of hate to bring this up, but my first strategy for testing something as complicated as EJB is to use simpler technology. If you can solve your problem...
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Steve Metsker
steve.metsker@...
Mar 1, 2000 4:23 pm
... One thing that might shed light on nx programming is the concept of museum grade code. Sometimes I write code with the aspiration that someday, a yellow...
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Thomas Matelich
tmatelich@...
Mar 1, 2000 4:41 pm
I decided I should clear this up in case my co-workers start reading this list (hi!). The position of power statement was a joke, I don't hold myself above the...
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Dave Thomas
Dave@...
Mar 1, 2000 4:45 pm
... I'm interested in exploring this, because others have also mentioned the idea of aiming for 'the best code possible' or somesuch. What are the criteria for...
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Donald McLean
dmclean@...
Mar 1, 2000 4:55 pm
... In XP, once you've completed the code and are sure that it works, you have to refactor mercilessly. You're not done until the code is the simplest,...
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Ron Jeffries
RonJeffries@...
Mar 1, 2000 4:58 pm
... Just heading off to class. So a hint: think about the values of communication and simplicity. Discuss this among yourselves, I'll chech your work later ......
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Thomas Matelich
tmatelich@...
Mar 1, 2000 5:13 pm
... I can't answer all of these questions yet, but I'll try on a few. I think the one that is the hardest to deal with is CodeTestsFirst. It took me a long...
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Chris Berry
cberry@...
Mar 1, 2000 5:13 pm
Dave, While I agree w/ you in practice (e.g Do the Simplest thing possible -- Use the appropriate tools for any given job) it's all obviously quite subjective....
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Joshua Kerievsky
joshua@...
Mar 1, 2000 5:16 pm
... I would say that your design strategy is to choose simple technology first. I view that as core to XP. It is certainly core to how I design software, and...
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Ron Lusk
ronlusk@...
Mar 1, 2000 5:34 pm
... Perfection is finally attained not when there is no longer anything to add but when there is no longer anything to take away, when a body has been stripped...
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Dave Thomas
Dave@...
Mar 1, 2000 5:51 pm
... All true. But that point can occur well before a piece of code is 'museum quality'. My question was whether there's any time in XP to take code to this...
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Dave Thomas
Dave@...
Mar 1, 2000 6:04 pm
... pg. 202 ;-)...
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Donald McLean
dmclean@...
Mar 1, 2000 6:06 pm
... Yes, basically we're quibling over semantics and such. The standard for XP is "refactor mercilessly". I'm not sure what difference there is between...
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Michael T. Nygard
michaeln@...
Mar 1, 2000 6:26 pm
I've written a test runner that is a servlet. It can invoke EJBs "in-place"; on the server. Coupled with a quick deployment and a local server, unit testing...
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Gareth Reeves
reevesy@...
Mar 1, 2000 7:00 pm
I agree with you both on choosing simple technologies and simple solutions. EJB could be considered a simple technology becuase it saves us having to write a...
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Eric Rizzo
eric.rizzo@...
Mar 1, 2000 7:05 pm
... Yes, please do! -- Eric Nicholas Rizzo eric.rizzo@... The Technical Resource Connection, Inc. Perot Systems ... I embrace my personality...
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Michael T. Nygard
michaeln@...
Mar 1, 2000 7:14 pm
Here's the code for the servlet itself. I have additional resources for deploying this as a web component in the Sun J2EE reference implementation, which are...
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Gareth Reeves
reevesy@...
Mar 1, 2000 8:12 pm
Is this really Unit testing or is it Functional testing? ... From: Michael T. Nygard [mailto:michaeln@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 12:21 PM...
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Tim Mackinnon
timm@...
Mar 1, 2000 8:53 pm
... You may want to consider these adds - they seem quite XP unfriendly!...
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Jim McFarland
j.mcfarland@...
Mar 1, 2000 9:20 pm
... have ... "XP unfriendly"? What do you mean? He mentioned openings on his team at the end of a regular message. What is your objection?...
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Joshua Macy/Towers Pe...
Macyj@...
Mar 1, 2000 9:31 pm
"Jim McFarland" wrote: ... I think he means the job postings themselves. If you follow the link to the Zetec site, it doesn't appear at first glance that the...
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Tim Mackinnon
timm@...
Mar 1, 2000 9:59 pm
... out I would suggest that Mocking up objects that conform to the required interface isn't as much work as you think. When we were testing Servlets, my ...
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Dave Thomas
Dave@...
Mar 1, 2000 10:13 pm
... Then compare and contrast with the cost curve and the stated way of knowing when you're done. Dave...
