The following extremeprogramming poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: How do you automate your acceptance tests? CHOICES AND RESULTS...
Ron made me actually print out an email message and highlight the best parts of it ... oh those literary heights ... :-) s....
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Armin Roehrl
armin@...
Nov 1, 2001 11:21 am
Hi, Does anybody have any experience on test first programming with Tk? Especially Ruby-Tk. How do you simulate mouse- and keystrokes? thanks, Armin. ... ...
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Bryan Dollery
bryan_dollery
Nov 1, 2001 1:09 pm
Len Fehskens wrote ... Hey, slow down. If I gave the wrong impression then I'm sorry, but I used Freudian (which is what I assume you objected to), as...
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dariachamrai@...
Nov 1, 2001 1:40 pm
... what ... but ... to ... about ... acknowledge. ... Of course we produce a lot of useful code, and use it again, but it looks as just "side effect" of good...
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dossy
Nov 1, 2001 1:40 pm
... Lucky for us, there are no bulletproof idiots out there. *snicker* -- Dossy Nuke 'em till they glow, and shoot 'em in the dark. -- Dossy Shiobara...
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dossy
Nov 1, 2001 1:45 pm
... Stop! RON! STOP! It's only 8:45 AM and you've got me laughing so hard I nearly had pee running down my leg into my birkenstocks. -- Dossy -- Dossy...
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dossy
Nov 1, 2001 1:46 pm
Indeed, Ron is in rare form. It's good to see ... maybe he got some nookie last night, or something. -- Dossy ... -- Dossy Shiobara...
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Brian C. Robinson
bcrtrw
Nov 1, 2001 1:57 pm
... Martin, I found your post to be a valuable contribution to the thread and did not see it as rude. I hope that we, the posters to the XP list, don't find...
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Scott Bogartz
scottbogartz
Nov 1, 2001 2:05 pm
Is a story that is limited to only one scenario (i.e. no conditional statements - excuse the UML terminology) to fine grained. In Peter Merel's "The Tao of...
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Brian C. Robinson
bcrtrw
Nov 1, 2001 2:07 pm
... This seems kind of BDUFish to me. Our customer only writes stories a few iterations ahead of time. We rarely have more than 25 active or ready stories at...
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Andrey Khavryuchenko
akhavr
Nov 1, 2001 2:15 pm
Armin, "AR" == Armin Roehrl wrote: AR> Does anybody have any experience on test first programming AR> with Tk? Especially Ruby-Tk. AR> How do you simulate...
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Bryan Dollery
bryan_dollery
Nov 1, 2001 2:17 pm
Ron Jeffries spate Following a recent opprobrious attack by Obersturmfuhrer Jeffries have made it necessary for me to reply. ... See that dirty clump of...
... If it works for you, do it. The value to the release plan is that your customer and other stakeholders get a view of what you'll release and when. Are you...
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Bryan Dollery
bryan_dollery
Nov 1, 2001 2:38 pm
Ron Jeffries wrote ... How would the release plan work? If you can't predict what will be built because of the neccessity of change, then how would a release...
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Ron Jeffries
ronjeffries@...
Nov 1, 2001 2:50 pm
... Many organizations want a product shipped by some date. They want to know what will be in it. A release plan lets you say with pretty good accuracy what...
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Dinwiddie, George
georgedinwiddie
Nov 1, 2001 2:51 pm
... [snip] ... I think the answer has to be "it depends." It depends on the situation and the story. Your pay example, to me, shows a reasonable breakdown of...
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Brian C. Robinson
bcrtrw
Nov 1, 2001 2:56 pm
... Yeah, we have a release most days. The only time we don't is when there's a nasty bug we can't figure out for a few days and so we don't commit. Wish...
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Ron Jeffries
ronjeffries@...
Nov 1, 2001 3:00 pm
... Breaking things down too far has some advantages and few disadvantages. The biggest advantage, to me, is that it lets you have separate priorities and...
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Bryan Dollery
bryan_dollery
Nov 1, 2001 3:08 pm
Ron Jeffries wrote ... I can see that a release plan would need to have in it a fairly accurate list of what will be released when. I can also see why this...
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Joshua Kerievsky
joshua@...
Nov 1, 2001 3:13 pm
... Ron - you consistently do a supurb job of supporting your ideas on this list - and we're all grateful for that (particularly, you're new rotating banners)....
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Ron Jeffries
ronjeffries@...
Nov 1, 2001 3:23 pm
... Do the XP release plan process. For full details see "Installed" or "Planning";. Briefly, sit down with the customer and "all" the stories, estimate them,...
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C. Keith Ray
xpckeithray
Nov 1, 2001 3:37 pm
... Based on this poll, I'm starting to use JUnit for acceptance tests. Do anyone do something that wasn't listed in the poll?...
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Ivan Tomek
ivan.tomek@...
Nov 1, 2001 4:11 pm
Thanks to all who answered my original question. I must reiterate that I was talking in an academice course context with very little time available, a ...
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Bryan Dollery
bryan_dollery
Nov 1, 2001 4:16 pm
Ron Jeffries wrote ... Okay, I've just re-read chapter-8 of Installed (BTW: I love the small chapters). I remember thinking when I first read it that this was...
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malekb@...
malekb
Nov 1, 2001 4:24 pm
How do you go about defining stories/iterations when you're dealing with an embedded system that requires a large part (approx 70%) of the system to exist...
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Ron Jeffries
ronjeffries@...
Nov 1, 2001 4:27 pm
... I just tell 'em that this isn't what will happen, but it is a lot like what will happen, and that we'll keep 'em informed. Tell what you know, and tell...
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Ron Jeffries
ronjeffries@...
Nov 1, 2001 4:44 pm
... Why do you believe that the drivers have to exist before user stories can be defined? What will the users and customers do with the system when it is ...
