... one suggestion: if you feel the code needs to be thread safe, instead of having it be an implied caveat that people should consult with you to determine...
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Kathleen Dollard
kathleendollard
Jan 2, 2003 4:26 am
Ron, Thanks for your comments. ... how ... For me, its how many countries, not how many rooms. The large project issue is that I have seen projects struggle as...
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Phlip
phlipcpp
Jan 2, 2003 4:30 am
... This is why, if you find yourself running out of room on the cards, use smaller cards. -- Phlip http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?PhlIp -- In the future everyone...
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Phlip
phlipcpp
Jan 2, 2003 4:30 am
... Here's the summary. Those who may feel like arguing should look up the threads I'm summarizing first: You get what you measure. High line count is bad;...
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Phlip
phlipcpp
Jan 2, 2003 4:30 am
... It is good because trust-based economies are more efficient; they lower the transaction cost. Static typing invests into the code fear and paranoia; this...
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Phlip
phlipcpp
Jan 2, 2003 4:30 am
... We don't want code without "errors" (given an excessive definition of "error"). We want code >with< features. That's what the programmer tests request of...
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Phlip
phlipcpp
Jan 2, 2003 4:30 am
... Yup. Consider this statement (in an arbitrary dynamic language): void f (q) { q.method(); } Now consider this one in a similar but static language: void f...
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Dmitri Colebatch
colebatchd
Jan 2, 2003 4:40 am
... it ... the ... sorry - by "error" I mean compile time errors (typo in a method name etc.) I realise that the unit tests are there to check the features...
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Nigel Thorne
nigel_thorne
Jan 2, 2003 5:37 am
What I want from a language for XP is low cost of change. I want to be able to express my ideas easily and quickly. I want to be able to understand and change...
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Chris Hanson
cmh23
Jan 2, 2003 6:03 am
... It's entirely possible to have dynamic languages that support static checking. For instance, in Objective-C, say you write: Foo *foo = [[Foo alloc] init];...
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Marco Dorantes Martinez
marcodorantes
Jan 2, 2003 6:45 am
A distinction between 'a method' and 'a message' could be helpful on understanding dynamic type systems. Seems that 'a message' is almost anything you 'send'...
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David Vydra <group...
dvydra2
Jan 2, 2003 8:44 am
Ron, Charlie Lately I've been thinking about java and c# as intermediate, read- only languages. When I write code, I am having a conversation with my IDE,...
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Nitin Maheshwari
nitin.maheshwari@...
Jan 2, 2003 8:45 am
This New Year....... May the New Year bring you & your family happiness and peace, and the strength and courage to follow your dreams. May you forget the...
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Dmitri Colebatch
colebatchd
Jan 2, 2003 8:48 am
... this is the sort of response I was looking for... I take this as a "yes, unit tests replace the safety of compiling"... am I reading this right? cheers ...
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Ron Jeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Jan 2, 2003 9:35 am
... Oh sure. It's early days for C#, no doubt about it. I think .NET is a very interesting play, and C# is -- as a language -- a little better than Java for my...
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Ron Jeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Jan 2, 2003 9:36 am
... Very good advice. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com Inigo Montoya: You are wonderful! Man in Black: Thank you. I have worked hard to become so....
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Stefan Schmiedl
dtsttcpw
Jan 2, 2003 9:46 am
... I disagree. Who is going to stop you from including too much stuff, you don't actually need? s....
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Ron Jeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Jan 2, 2003 9:47 am
... I had that same fear, coming to Smalltalk from C++ and Pascal lo! these many years ago. In fact, an error that one makes in Smalltalk is sometimes to pass...
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cg@...
cdegroot
Jan 2, 2003 10:00 am
... I agree. I have never understood why it has such a bad reputation, why there are no decent tools for it (ok, at least on my platform), etcetera. It is a ...
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cg@...
cdegroot
Jan 2, 2003 10:19 am
... Yup. And that's a Good Thing. For starters, you are doing a lot more than some ad-hoc type checks with your unit tests. Compile-time type checking makes...
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cg@...
cdegroot
Jan 2, 2003 10:26 am
... Yes, that's the common fear about dynamic languages. And yes, these bugs slip through sometimes. However, they slip through in statically typed languages...
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Dmitri Colebatch
colebatchd
Jan 2, 2003 10:33 am
... the ... the ... slip ... languages as ... I'd like to think that its not a fear in my case.... I'd love to actually operate like that, but I wouldn't be...
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cg@...
cdegroot
Jan 2, 2003 10:52 am
... Well, not as solid as WinNT 3.51 which was build by a competent team that later left the company in disgust and from there it went downhill. They're ...
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cg@...
cdegroot
Jan 2, 2003 10:55 am
... Now, there you really disappoint me. Passing inflated numbers from Microsoft on as facts. If they say a million, it's probably 50,000 or so. Still, it will...
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Ron Jeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Jan 2, 2003 11:03 am
... Nice report. Objective-C is pretty neat. It's a pity it hasn't had more success. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com The greatest mistake we make is living...
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Ron Jeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Jan 2, 2003 11:06 am
... Why not ... the other people on the team? Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com I could be wrong, but I'm not. --Eagles, Victim of Love...
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Ron Jeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Jan 2, 2003 11:07 am
... Is it object oriented, with a decent IDE and debugger and such? Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com Accroche toi a ton reve. --ELO...
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cg@...
cdegroot
Jan 2, 2003 11:08 am
... I'd like to recommend Smalltalk, but in order to be succesful here you need to have interned a lot of the values of XP (they're quite close together ;-)),...
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Dmitri Colebatch
colebatchd
Jan 2, 2003 11:12 am
... there ... is a ... etcetera. ... object oriented yes, I've personally never found a decent IDE (although haven't looked for a few years). cheers dim...
67935
cg@...
cdegroot
Jan 2, 2003 11:13 am
... No, and that's the bit I have never understood. It is a decent language, and it is the language with probably the widest spread platform. Somehow, it got a...
