... From: "Jeff Grigg" <jeffgrigg@...> To: <extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: Re: VS: [XP] Test Driven...
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Jeff Grigg
jeffgrigg63132
Jun 1, 2004 7:14 pm
... Maybe it's a bad habit, but I sometimes test assertion error exceptions into the code, so a 'fail()' method in the 'try' block will, in some cases, get...
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Chip Whitmer
chipwhitmer
Jun 1, 2004 6:32 pm
... From: "Jeff Grigg" <jeffgrigg@...> To: <extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:05 AM Subject: Re: VS: [XP] Test Driven...
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Nancy Van Schooenderw...
vanschoo@...
Jun 1, 2004 6:19 pm
... Your mention of the software logging technique reminded me of something I've been thinking about lately - I used a group of testing techniques for embedded...
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Dave Astels
astelsd
Jun 1, 2004 3:16 pm
... I would hesitate to add a getter solely for a test. I'd prefer to add a query method to check for side-effects. And by pollution of code for testing.. I'm...
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Jeff Grigg
jeffgrigg63132
Jun 1, 2004 3:05 pm
... And NUnit, for .NET directly supports tests that expect exceptions, making it even easier....
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Phlip
phlipcpp
Jun 1, 2004 2:20 pm
... Pure TDD tends to produce well-rounded classes that serve both their tests and their production clients. One never encounters a reason to break...
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Jeff Grigg
jeffgrigg63132
Jun 1, 2004 2:09 pm
... The Java equivalent is the "package" level of protection -- indicated by *not* putting 'public', 'private' or 'protected' in front of your method (or...
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Ron Jeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Jun 1, 2004 12:34 pm
I have set dhui_2002 to "No Email" because I was getting bounces referring to spam, from what appears to be its base account, on all my postings to the list. I...
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Ron Jeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Jun 1, 2004 12:19 pm
... .NET accessibility level allowing members of the same "namespace" access to the element, but no one from outside. A bit stronger than "friend" in that you...
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Dave Astels
astelsd
Jun 1, 2004 12:13 pm
... Come to the dark side Mike (i.e. put down that sissy-man Bud and hoist a Guiness) ... I agree fully. ... To me, pollution means introducing a dependancy,...
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Dave Astels
astelsd
Jun 1, 2004 11:52 am
... Yes, working with legacy is different. There it's largely "do what you can". Dave...
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Douglas Philips
dgou@...
Jun 1, 2004 11:52 am
... Its a holiday, so I'm not colocated with my library, but I seem to recall Kent Beck addresses this very issue in Test-Driven Design. Probably also...
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Edmund Schweppe
schweppe@...
Jun 1, 2004 11:47 am
... If the change is good, and the ubiquitous language changes to match the good change, then the ubiquitous language and the metaphor once again will be...
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Michael Feathers
mfeathers256
Jun 1, 2004 11:43 am
Hello Lior, Tuesday, June 1, 2004, 3:03:58 AM, you wrote: LF> I want to focus on the point several people have made about the ability LF> to test all the...
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Edmund Schweppe
schweppe@...
Jun 1, 2004 11:33 am
... Probably not. On the other hand, you could create a mock A and use *that* as part of the B tests. -- Edmund Schweppe -- schweppe@... --...
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Alistair A. Israel
aisrael
Jun 1, 2004 11:21 am
Thanks for the responses, Ron, Michael and Phlip. Let me try to summarize your points (and my replies) below. 1. Ron and Michael mention high-level or granular...
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Ian Collins
masumanz
Jun 1, 2004 8:55 am
... Yes indeed, this part was refactored out to a file manager class. Either way, the first three steps justified their own tests. Excuse my ignorance, but...
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Ron Jeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Jun 1, 2004 8:44 am
... I could imagine in this case that I might just test the private methods, perhaps using the "internal"; accessibility level. However, these three actions...
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Ron Jeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Jun 1, 2004 8:37 am
... An observation in passing: I usually just go one test at a time in TDD. Sometimes I'll keep a list, but often I do not. ... Observation: It might be fun to...
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Ian Collins
masumanz
Jun 1, 2004 8:29 am
... OK, a recent example: A class to manage a log split over a group of small files. Test one: make sure the directory containing the logs is created. Test...
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Ron Jeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Jun 1, 2004 8:22 am
... If we know that A works correctly, we're not dealing with the questioner's case, which is "what if you need to test a private method". Ron Jeffries ...
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Ron Jeffries
RonaldEJeffries
Jun 1, 2004 8:21 am
... This story sounds to me like something going wrong in the design. But I'd have to see a real example to be sure. A complicated constructor troubles me, for...
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lasse.koskela@...
lassekoskela
Jun 1, 2004 8:21 am
... Me too. At least relatively speaking. I do non-trivial refactorings (something you can't launch from Eclipse's refactoring menu) very rarely and when I do,...
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Ian Collins
masumanz
Jun 1, 2004 8:16 am
... What is wrong with using friendship rather than yucky #defines? Can friendship be considered to be pollution? I haven't seen any reasons on this thread...
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Lior Fridman
friedmanlior
Jun 1, 2004 8:15 am
Shamefully yes.
But hey im new to this whole XP/TDD/refacturing thing
It takes some time to digest ;)
Lior ... Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 10:29 AM
To:...
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Gert Kello
gert_g77_kello
Jun 1, 2004 7:50 am
... Well, You are right. But after I added support for user-definable compare objects, this strutcure started smelling a little bit more, so I did create the...
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lasse.koskela@...
lassekoskela
Jun 1, 2004 7:29 am
... So you /did refactoring/, but didn't use (known or documented) /refactorings/ ;-) - Lasse - This message is for the designated recipient only and may...
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Lior Fridman
friedmanlior
Jun 1, 2004 7:28 am
Well I did trust them but than it broke. And if it breaks once it can break again.
So I can trust them....
Lior
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Lior Fridman
friedmanlior
Jun 1, 2004 7:08 am
I want to focus on the point several people have made about the ability
to test all the classes by using only public interfaces.
I agree!
If the behavior of...
