... It's probably not what Ron's looking or, but this reminds me of an old saying which I thought I read in one of Heinlein's novels (probably a Lazarus Long...
Steven J. Owens
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Sep 1, 2004 8:07 am
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... IMO, if the "gold owner" thinks a list of detailed requirements is complete and not going to change prior to starting a project, then a team using XP has a...
... What issue is that? That the team doesn't have that same belief? That the team is prepared for the customer to change their mind even if they don't? Or ? ...
... That's interesting. How did you assess the quality of the code? ... I still need to parse the error message, find the place that needs to be fixed and find...
... In the sense which I believe was originated by Apple, yes. In the more religious sense of the term, the association is probably odious to all those who...
Thanks for sharing ... ... Yes. The alternative to caring seems to be "not caring". What I've learned is that there's more than one way to influence things....
... I think you suggested that the customer needs to gather more requirements than what would be necessary just to get the developers started, in order to...
... Maybe. ... I woudl prefer to not do BRUF, but there may be situations where it is required (e.g. for tendering a bid, as described by Ken). I don't feel...
... Yes, I noticed that frequently wives tend to pick up that role, and the husbands that listen are winners. Those that don't listen tend to become ...
... Because of the Nazi, Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Sudan, Rwanda, Abu Ghareb, the Inquisition, and many other sad aspects of the human experience, I would change the...
... What I tried to say is that in many organizations, the customer does BRUF in order to obtain funding. I belive in order to make the decision to pursue...
... I don't remember anyone on this thread saying XP doesn't address gathering requirements or steering the project ("end the project" being one steering...
... Actually, "different" doesn't necessarily mean that one is weaker than the other. Similarly to the fact that in intergalactic space there is no up or ...
... To me, the real question is "what subset of the audience" has the speaker chosen to reach? In my opinion Ron, you tend to reach the people who have a...
Ron hi,
Its not matter of toning down one style.
Its more of a culture thing. Where I came from the organization culture
was to shout loud
and if that didn't...
... You're describing one way to start over rather than work with legacy code. In my experience it's the most difficult and most likely to fail. Another way is...
... I don't know either. If you are as good at TDD and simple design as I imagine you are, your defect rate is probably something less than 1 per 1KLOC....
... It's a metaphor, people, a turn of phrase. I know you're not weak just because you can't hold your own in a reasonable conversation such as Lior and I are...
... Well, yes, requirements gathering has a cost. In my experience, usually the requirements gathering needed to get a project approved is quite small and ...
... It is for my purposes, but no one lives or dies based on whether my web site works. 'cept maybe me. However, my defects are in fact rarely subtle or...
I agree with replacing legacy apps bit by bit. A refactoring effort of some sorts. Maintenance programmers should probably take the same tack rather than...
... Oddly enough, while driving in to work I decided to listen to Robert M. Pirsig's "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance". It seemed a good book for the...
Hi Ken, ... Mainly I just think the customer would be wasting time and money. Possibly, some of the BRUF might result in bias, in a closed mind, which would...
... worked ... kind of ... when it ... them. ... workflow is ... incorporated ... worked this ... easier to ... the FIT ... That's an interesting thought,...
... I would rather replace the app bit by bit by making completely new code work with (interface with) the legacy app. So I have in mind something very...
... I haven't done much touting of this yet, but I just finished a book about working with legacy code. The emphasis isn't on replacing the code, it's on...
... I need every idea I can get on this subject: I ordered your forthcoming book a fortnight ago, and am looking forward to it. Regards, Dominic Williams ...
