... Well, I'm cheap (but certainly not easy)! :) ... Uh, yes... that exactly what I wrote... can't you read!! :) ... Limericks are good too... there once was a...
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hi, I'd be interested in the advantages (and maybe disadvantages) you see in codinging the acceptance tests first. Coding unit tests first (TDD) is very good...
... see in codinging the acceptance tests first. Coding unit tests first (TDD) is very good documented in the different XP-books but I can find nearly nothing...
The customer tests are the specifications of your product. If a programmer receives customer tests it is easier for her to derive and write the unit tests and...
... This should make for an interesting discussion. I feel strongly that I need the acceptance tests before I'm going to be done programming: I want to run...
Hi, We usually prepare a set of acceptance test cards for planning game. When customer defines a user story we asked for a real example(s) of this story. We...
... There are many people out there who went from code-and-fix to "big analysis up front". Naturally researching and thinking before doing is better than ...
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... Why donīt you remove the customer tests in these cases? OK, the customer might not be very happy if the tests he wrote were removed... But we run the unit...
... Hi Christoph, We began experimenting with this approach a few years back and now find it to be indispensable. There was an article in Better Software ...
... See my .sig... --George Paci The main reason that the Internet works at all is the existence of "ping". So build a "ping" thing into your systems. -- John...
... It looks like you were expecting an answer other than "I see no problem here." :) What if that's really the answer? ... The only examples I have ever heard...
[Crossposted to XPlorations] "Customer Value": Customers (product owners...) are told to select stories according to what's most valuable. We can consider both...
It depends! Sometimes the acceptance tests can be defined before hand, sometimes the acceptance tests have to be evolved as you work on a story. As long as...
... That is interesting you should bring this example up. In my household the "rule" is if you spend more than $100 you have to ask. Anything less than $100...
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... To me the unit tests are a kind of design tool when written first. I īm not sure if the acceptance tests also shape my design as the unit tests do. They...
Hi Josh, ... Could you post a copy on your site? Did you give Better Software exclusive rights to the article, or only first publication rights? Dale -- Dale...
... There was a nice workshop at IBM CASCon in Toronto in October entitled "Agile and UCD". You might wish to contact Dr. Frank Maurer at the University of...
... see in codinging the acceptance tests first. Coding unit tests first (TDD) is very good documented in the different XP-books but I can find nearly nothing...
... On my perfect project, some Customer Tests are available before we start building the feature in question. Presumably someone with programming skill who...
... Is that a downside? Or is it like saying that one strong downside of unit tests (a.k.a. Programmer tests) is that people tend to use them like storytests...
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 07:08:14 -0400, Ron Jeffries ... I dont think I can put it any better than this. Thanks. ... Do we need any cost-benifit analysis in this...
... Is the "playing" you're talking about different from doing a spike? Spikes often help us learn more about fuzzy criteria that we can use during story...
... I disagree with this. IMHO any code delivered to a customer is worth going through the rigors of XP processes. YMMV. ... Unfortunately, I dont have the...
... First of all, a phrase like "the cutomer might not be happy" isn't part of our vernacular. You cannot have members of your community unahppy in XP, at ...
On Thursday, Nov. 18th we're pleased to host Colin Sampaleanu from Interface21 (http://www.interface21.com) in Toronto. He's one of the authors of the open...
Kay, On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:20:30 -0400, Kay Pentecost ... Thanks for the clarification. I hope my coding is better than my english ;-) KD -- Dakshinamurthy...
... It is. And I'd like to have the team know what they spent their time on. And I'm in no sense opposed to estimating how much working time is involved in...
