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Just sharing some views on distributed AI, and trying to get some
support against using XML as a good technology to do this,

- Mike


AI made The Economist recently.
http://www.economist.com/science/tq/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1020789
and The Economist predicts a strong future AI prescience:

Why is this interesting? Because, by definition if The Economist
plays to it... it has to be big enough, at least in perception.

These are some of the drivers:

1) "The semantic Web" and related technologies:
http://www.sciam.com/2001/0501issue/0501berners-lee.html
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/
http://www.semanticweb.org/
http://www.w3.org/RDF/

2) Darpa with DAML:
http://www.daml.org/

3) Microsoft with .NET, check:
Actively advertising "intelligent" technologies.
http://www.gotdotnet.com/terrarium/
http://www.gotdotnet.com

4) Intelligence required for B2B, ebXML, RosettaNet, EAI, etc.
http://www.rosettanet.org/rosettanet/Rooms/DisplayPages/LayoutInitial
http://www.ebxml.org/
etc.
EAI/Workflow: App Servers, EAI, Queues (MQ, Open JMS, etc.), Web Services,
Workflow, and Business Process Management (Vitria, etc.)

5) IBM's biggest iron is advertised as "intelligent":
http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/introducing/eliza/

6) Lifestreams, Linda on the Web, etc.; all requiring some basic
AI techniques like pattern-matching, and distributed agents that
know about ontologies.

So, AI seems to be coming back from many but _major_ different areas:

IBM,
Gates/Microsoft,
Darpa,
W3C,
Gelertner,
Tim Berners-Lee (inventor of HTTP/HTML)
Business Standards (B2B, ebXML, EAI, RosettaNET, etc.)
Research Projects (aLife, Biological Metaphors, Digital Life)
etc.

But help me cut through some Gordian Knots... why does AI have to
be implemented through RPC, client-server, XMLish technologies, that:

1) have many layers of bloat (serializations/deserializations),
2) bring discomfort and confusion by introducing
"disconnected layered languages", and
3) don't have the appropriate semantics, facilities, libraries
and power to do AI jobs?

As early as 1975, (written in 1975, published in 1982), "intelligent"
business exchanges have been proposed like the "The Common Business
Communication Language":
http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/cbcl2/cbcl2.html

where basic exchanges like:

(REQUEST-QUOTE (ADJECTIVE (PENCILS #2) YELLOW)
(GROSS 100))

have replies like:

(WE-QUOTE (OUR-STOCK-NUMBER A7305)
(QUANTITY 100)
(DELIVERY-DATE 3-10-77)
(PRICE $1.00))

Even KQML and other ACLs are LISP-like.

You can also do this with X12 and now XML, but using a LISP-like syntax,
we can _also_ send rules, computable things (classes, functions, patterns,
etc.), do pattern-matching, send/share ontologies, do knowledge exchanges,
etc. So, imo, the infrastructure that LISP provides is superior
to do AI because it:

1) provides a larger number of existing resources available: libraries,
programs, etc.; for:

a) knowledge representation
b) reasoning
c) logical programming
d) expert systems
e) genetic programming
f) game playing (plans, strategies, intentions, actions, etc.)
g) parsing natural languages
etc.

this is important we want to implement:

a) voting
b) auctions
c) coalitions
d) negotiation
e) bidding/awarding
etc.

2) requires the least amount of conversions
(serialization/deserialization) when the app servers are
LISP based

3) provides the greater amount of computational power
and flexibility

4) it is more intuitive since the parsing language can be
the same as the exchange language.

To me, it doesn't make any sense to reinvent the AI wheel with
XMLish technologies ..... this may in fact contribute
to the second commercial failure of AI,

- Mike




Mon Apr 1, 2002 10:58 pm

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Just sharing some views on distributed AI, and trying to get some support against using XML as a good technology to do this, - Mike AI made The Economist...
Mike Beedle
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Thanks for all that great information, Mike. Another entry high on my list is Understanding Computers and Cognition, Winograd and Flores. ...
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Understanding Computers and Cognition Winograd and Flores. Using MakeAShorterLink... http://makeashorterlink.com/?I34A12E9 Cambrian Intelligence Rodney Brooks ...
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Patrick D. Logan wrote: [snip] ... [snip] Patrick: Thanks for the links. I do believe in "evolutionary" design but I don't believe in "choosing the wrong tool...
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... I am with you and the 1958 Porsche to ride alongside the skateboard....
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... Patrick: These are good examples of such "fast running" vehicles. This _is_ the "semantic web" now ... All of these applications are INTERNET killer apps...
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