Hawkins is pleased the PC giants have validated the market, but he sees much
room for
improvement among their early so-called "netbooks."

Hawkins spoke to IBD recently about his netbooks and, for the first time at
length, on his
experience with the Foleo.

More at:
http://biz.yahoo.com/ibd/080807/tech01.html?.v=1

Thanks BaDZeD!

On 9/8/07, Nigel Derbyshire <nigel@...> wrote:
> it's not a phone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_770), although it
> can do VOIP via the Gizmo project.

yes - but neither is the Foleo

> as for syncing, not really, although you can get it to sync with
> Google Calendars.
>
> Personally, I have log since given up on a device that does
> everything. I use my TX as my Office document viewer (Docs2Go), task
> manager, calendar, contact holder (etc). But the web browsing is junk.
> - That is where the 770 comes in -> It is a 800x480 (225 pixels per
> inch) display and a full web browser make it ideal!
>
> It connects via wifi, and also via bluetooth (via my phone, which is
> on a high-speed) 3G network.

I think all we need is a bigger TX - that runs Linux :).

> Also, because of the screen quality, i use it as an eBook / PDF reader too...
>
> yeah yeah, i know that i have to carry around loads of devices, but
> that's just the way of things!..
>
> (I also have a 12" powerbook G4, which has a great form-factor too)

agreed - I don't know why Apple went away from that with the MBP

> Having said all of that, i was actually in the market for a foleo
> anyway :-)   - i saw it as the ideal Meeting tool.  (& i have a lot of
> meetings!)



--
==============================
War Eagle

I've seen the enticing rumors of the smaller MacBook, but I suspect it
will be very expensive.

On 9/7/07, Joel Suplido <joel@...> wrote:

> I'm partial to Macs. So with the Foleo (temporarily) out of the
> picture, it's the MacBook for me. Though there are rumors of an
> ultraportable that could be announced in January.

it's not a phone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_770), although it
can do VOIP via the Gizmo project.

as for syncing, not really, although you can get it to sync with
Google Calendars.

Personally, I have log since given up on a device that does
everything. I use my TX as my Office document viewer (Docs2Go), task
manager, calendar, contact holder (etc). But the web browsing is junk.
- That is where the 770 comes in -> It is a 800x480 (225 pixels per
inch) display and a full web browser make it ideal!

It connects via wifi, and also via bluetooth (via my phone, which is
on a high-speed) 3G network.

Also, because of the screen quality, i use it as an eBook / PDF reader too...

yeah yeah, i know that i have to carry around loads of devices, but
that's just the way of things!..

(I also have a 12" powerbook G4, which has a great form-factor too)

Having said all of that, i was actually in the market for a foleo
anyway :-)   - i saw it as the ideal Meeting tool.  (& i have a lot of
meetings!)

On 08/09/07, Lio <ldouglas@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> but can it sync with the phone?
>
>
>  On 9/8/07, Nigel Derbyshire <nigel@...> wrote:
>  > what about a nokia 770 or 800 internet tableet with a bluetooth keyboard?
>  >
>  > they both have a full browser (oprea), a glorious hires screen, and
>  > run a debian based linux.
>  >
>  > i have a n770 and use it exactly as an internet tablet (i'm using it
>  > now), but i use my tx for office type tasks.
>  >
>  > btw, these ultra light laptops are fine, but they cost a fortune! - my
>  > n770 only cost £70 ($120)
>  >
>  > On 08/09/07, Lio <ldouglas@...> wrote:
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > I used an iPhone for the first time today and I must say that thumb
> typing
>  > > or one handed operation is out of it. You have to retrain yourself to
> type
>  > > with fingertips on that screen. Thumbtips results in too many errors.
>  > >
>  > > If I'm going to get a foleo alernative it must have a real keyboard.
>  > >
>  > > On 9/7/07, Craig Froehle <craig.froehle@... > wrote:
>  > > >
>  > > > Pray tell, good sir, why you included the iPod Touch on that list? It
> has
>  > > nary a keyboard nor a full-resolution screen, making it hard to
> understand
>  > > why it would be an "alternative" to the Foleo (any more than, say, a
> Palm TX
>  > > is).
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > On 9/7/07, Michael Graff < michael.graff@...> wrote:
>  > > > >
>  > > > > With the Foleo canceled, here's another look at the alternatives,
> from
>  > > heaviest to lightest (approximately):
>  > > > >
>  > > > > $500 laptops
>  > > > > Macbook
>  > > > > 2.5 pound laptops
>  > > > > AlphaSmart Dana Wireless
>  > > > > Via NanoBook
>  > > > > Asus Eee
>  > > > > Ultra Mobile PC (UMPC)
>  > > > > Nokia N800 Internet Tablet
>  > > > > Wireless keyboard (added to existing Treo)
>  > > > > iPod touch
>  > > > >
>  > > > > [What did I miss?]
>  > > > >
>  > > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > --
>  > > > http://www.GearBits.com -- Tech. Culture. Ideas. Opinions.
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > --
>  > > ==============================
>  > > War Eagle
>  >
>  >
>  > --
>  > Nigel Derbyshire
>  > CTO
>  > Encapsulate Technology Ltd
>  > www.encapsulate-technology.com | company no: 04929495
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Yahoo! Groups Links
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
>  --
>  ==============================
>  War Eagle
>
>
>


--
Nigel Derbyshire
CTO
Encapsulate Technology Ltd
www.encapsulate-technology.com | company no: 04929495

but can it sync with the phone?

On 9/8/07, Nigel Derbyshire <nigel@...> wrote:
> what about a nokia 770 or 800 internet tableet with a bluetooth keyboard?
>
> they both have a full browser (oprea), a glorious hires screen, and
> run a debian based linux.
>
> i have a n770 and use it exactly as an internet tablet (i'm using it
> now), but i use my tx for office type tasks.
>
> btw, these ultra light laptops are fine, but they cost a fortune! - my
> n770 only cost £70 ($120)
>
> On 08/09/07, Lio <ldouglas@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I used an iPhone for the first time today and I must say that thumb typing
> > or one handed operation is out of it. You have to retrain yourself to type
> > with fingertips on that screen. Thumbtips results in too many errors.
> >
> > If I'm going to get a foleo alernative it must have a real keyboard.
> >
> > On 9/7/07, Craig Froehle <craig.froehle@... > wrote:
> > >
> > > Pray tell, good sir, why you included the iPod Touch on that list?  It has
> > nary a keyboard nor a full-resolution screen, making it hard to understand
> > why it would be an "alternative" to the Foleo (any more than, say, a Palm TX
> > is).
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/7/07, Michael Graff < michael.graff@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > With the Foleo canceled, here's another look at the alternatives, from
> > heaviest to lightest (approximately):
> > > >
> > > > $500 laptops
> > > > Macbook
> > > > 2.5 pound laptops
> > > > AlphaSmart Dana Wireless
> > > > Via NanoBook
> > > > Asus Eee
> > > > Ultra Mobile PC (UMPC)
> > > > Nokia N800 Internet Tablet
> > > > Wireless keyboard (added to existing Treo)
> > > > iPod touch
> > > >
> > > > [What did I miss?]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.GearBits.com -- Tech. Culture. Ideas. Opinions.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ==============================
> > War Eagle
>
>
> --
> Nigel Derbyshire
> CTO
> Encapsulate Technology Ltd
> www.encapsulate-technology.com | company no: 04929495
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


--
==============================
War Eagle

what about a nokia 770 or 800 internet tableet with a bluetooth keyboard?

they both have a full browser (oprea), a glorious hires screen, and
run a debian based linux.

i have a n770 and use it exactly as an internet tablet (i'm using it
now), but i use my tx for office type tasks.

btw, these ultra light laptops are fine, but they cost a fortune! - my
n770 only cost £70 ($120)

On 08/09/07, Lio <ldouglas@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I used an iPhone for the first time today and I must say that thumb typing
> or one handed operation is out of it. You have to retrain yourself to type
> with fingertips on that screen. Thumbtips results in too many errors.
>
> If I'm going to get a foleo alernative it must have a real keyboard.
>
> On 9/7/07, Craig Froehle <craig.froehle@... > wrote:
> >
> > Pray tell, good sir, why you included the iPod Touch on that list?  It has
> nary a keyboard nor a full-resolution screen, making it hard to understand
> why it would be an "alternative" to the Foleo (any more than, say, a Palm TX
> is).
> >
> >
> > On 9/7/07, Michael Graff < michael.graff@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > With the Foleo canceled, here's another look at the alternatives, from
> heaviest to lightest (approximately):
> > >
> > > $500 laptops
> > > Macbook
> > > 2.5 pound laptops
> > > AlphaSmart Dana Wireless
> > > Via NanoBook
> > > Asus Eee
> > > Ultra Mobile PC (UMPC)
> > > Nokia N800 Internet Tablet
> > > Wireless keyboard (added to existing Treo)
> > > iPod touch
> > >
> > > [What did I miss?]
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.GearBits.com -- Tech. Culture. Ideas. Opinions.
>
>
>
> --
> ==============================
> War Eagle


--
Nigel Derbyshire
CTO
Encapsulate Technology Ltd
www.encapsulate-technology.com | company no: 04929495

Asus EEE running XP (or the hacked 10.4).

On 9/7/07, Joel Suplido <joel@...> wrote:
> I'm partial to Macs. So with the Foleo (temporarily) out of the
> picture, it's the MacBook for me. Though there are rumors of an
> ultraportable that could be announced in January.
>
> Joel
>
> On 09 8, 07, at 8:20 AM, Craig Froehle wrote:
>
> > Ah...gotcha.  Me, I'm opting for one of those "2.5-pound laptops"
> > you mention -- the Toshiba R500.  Yum.
> >
> >
> > On 9/7/07, Michael Graff < michael.graff@...> wrote:
> > Liberal interpretation of "alternative"?  Not an exact
> > substitution, just something that shares some of the attributes.
> >
> > Like the Foleo, it has WiFi, multitasking OS, and a "real" web
> > browser.  It's also in a similar price range.
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


--
==============================
War Eagle

I'm partial to Macs. So with the Foleo (temporarily) out of the
picture, it's the MacBook for me. Though there are rumors of an
ultraportable that could be announced in January.

Joel

On 09 8, 07, at 8:20 AM, Craig Froehle wrote:

> Ah...gotcha.  Me, I'm opting for one of those "2.5-pound laptops"
> you mention -- the Toshiba R500.  Yum.
>
>
> On 9/7/07, Michael Graff < michael.graff@...> wrote:
> Liberal interpretation of "alternative"?  Not an exact
> substitution, just something that shares some of the attributes.
>
> Like the Foleo, it has WiFi, multitasking OS, and a "real" web
> browser.  It's also in a similar price range.

As I've posted at 1SRC, I wonder how much of the decision was affected
by Engadget's "open letter" and the success of iPhone?

Remember that they recently brought in Wind River to help them with a new
Linux kernal.  It's more related to this than anything I bet.

Roger
---
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Baltimore, Maryland USA

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...... Original Message .......
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:46:37 +0000 Dietrich Bohn <dieterbohn@...>
wrote:
>What's shocking (beyond the whole, you know, 86'ing a major product!)
>is that they had two platforms to begin with.  I'd sorta assumed that
>the Foleo's OS was related to the new PalmOS and that Palm's dancing
>around that subject was due to the fact that they didn't want to come
>clean about that.  Turns out that dancing was due to the fact that
>they were two different platforms.
>
>Craaazy.
>
>--- In foleo@yahoogroups.com, Nico <holvoetn.snapper@...> wrote:
>>
>> Yes and no.
>>
>> Yes because nothing came out of it when everybody was waiting for it.
>> No since it will certainly have provided Palm a lot of experience and
>> knowledge how to handle this for the next version.
>>
>> For example, they can now assure it uses the same Linux version as the
>> future PDA/Smartphones will use. They can make the HW specs a bit
>more up to
>> the current time with a much shorter cycle time to develop (let's
>admit it,
>> this initial design started what ? 3 years ago ?)
>>
>> Tough call, but business/marketing wise a lot smarter then just
>going along
>> and let it fail massively.
>>
>> Greetz,
>> Nico.
>>
>> On 9/4/07, Bill Gamble <wwgamble@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > What's bad is all the time they wasted on this.
>> >
>> > _______
>> > Bill
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: foleo@yahoogroups.com [mailto:foleo@yahoogroups.com] On
>> > > Behalf Of Nico
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 5:31 PM
>> > > To: foleo@yahoogroups.com
>> > > Subject: Re: [foleo] Palm cancels Foleo
>> > >
>> > > This is soooo bad .... <sigh>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 9/4/07, Bill Gamble <wwgamble@...> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >       <http://blog.palm.com/palm/2007/09/a-message-to-pa.html>
>> > >
>> > >       "A Message to Palm Customers, Partners and Developers
>> > >
>> > >       As many of you are aware, we are in the process of
>> > > building our next
>> > >       generation software platform. We are very excited about
>> > > how this is
>> > >       coming together. It has a modern flexible UI, instant
>> > > performance, and
>> > >       an incredibly simple and elegant development environment.
>We are
>> > >       working hard on this platform and on the first
>> > > smartphone that will
>> > >       take advantage of it.
>> > >
>> > >       In the course of the past several months, it has become
>> > > clear that the
>> > >       right path for Palm is to offer a single, consistent
>> > > user experience
>> > >       around this new platform design and a single focus for
>> > > our platform
>> > >       development efforts. To that end, and after careful
>> > > deliberation, I
>> > >       have decided to cancel the Foleo mobile companion product
>in its
>> > >       current configuration and focus all of our energies on
>> > > delivering out
>> > >       next generation platform and the first smartphones that
>> > > will bring
>> > >       this platform to market. We will, of course, continue to
>develop
>> > >       products in partnership with Microsoft on the Windows
>> > > Mobile platform,
>> > >       but from our internal platform development perspective,
>> > > we will focus
>> > >       on only one.
>> > >
>> > >       Because we were nearly at the point for shipping Foleo,
>> > > this was a
>> > >       very tough decision. Yet I am convinced this is the
>> > > right thing to do.
>> > >       Foleo is based on second platform and a separate development
>> > >       environment, and we need to focus our efforts on one
>> > > platform. Our own
>> > >       evaluation and early market feedback were telling us
>> > > that we still
>> > >       have a number of improvements to make Foleo a
>> > > world-class product, and
>> > >       we can not afford to make those improvements on a
>> > > platform that is not
>> > >       central to our core focus. That would not be right for
>> > > our customers
>> > >       or for our developer community.
>> > >
>> > >       Jeff Hawkins and I still believe that the market
>> > > category defined by
>> > >       Foleo has enormous potential. When we do Foleo II it
>> > > will be based on
>> > >       our new platform, and we think it will deliver on the
>> > > promise of this
>> > >       new category. We're not going to speculate now on
>> > > timing for a next
>> > >       Foleo, we just know we need to get our core platform
>> > > and smartphones
>> > >       done first.
>> > >
>> > >       I would like to thank our customers for their interest
>> > > in Foleo. I
>> > >       know there will be disappointed folks who were looking
>> > > forward to
>> > >       carrying a Foleo for all their mobile computing needs.
>> > > I am certainly
>> > >       one of them. I would also like to thank the developers who
>have
>> > >       supported our Foleo efforts. They have been loyal to
>> > > Palm and have
>> > >       worked hard to deliver some compelling solutions on the Foleo
>> > >       platform. I know that they will understand that the
>> > > right thing to do
>> > >       for the long run is to focus on one platform that will
>> > > live for years,
>> > >       rather than invest energy in a one-off solution. We
>> > > will make every
>> > >       effort to make sure we bring our developers forward to our
>next
>> > >       generation platform.
>> > >
>> > >       This decision will require us to take a limited charge
>> > > of less than
>> > >       $10 million dollars to our earnings. This is a lot of
>> > > money, but it is
>> > >       a small price relative to the costs that would be
>> > > required to support
>> > >       two platforms going forward. This decision is in the
>> > > best interest of
>> > >       our customers, our team, our products and our
>> > > shareholders. I hope
>> > >       this renewed focus at Palm will allow us to deliver
>> > > more compelling
>> > >       solutions to our core smartphone market, and it will
>> > > allow us to
>> > >       position ourselves for the long run around one Palm
>experience."
>> > >
>> > >       -Ed Colligan, CEO
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

But they would have spent more money fixing a broken product now versus
focusing on completing their Linux smartphone than goong back to fix the
Foleo.  This decision will save palm in the lomg run as sales are falling
and the Foleo would not have a chance to fiz that versus getting their
Linux smartphone to market quicker.

Good call by Ed Colligan.  That's the kind of calls excellent leaders make.
  I've got more respect for him (and Palm) now.

Roger
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...... Original Message .......
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:43:10 +0200 Nico <holvoetn.snapper@...> wrote:
>Yes and no.
>
>Yes because nothing came out of it when everybody was waiting for it.
>No since it will certainly have provided Palm a lot of experience and
knowledge how to handle this for the next version.
>
>For example, they can now assure it uses the same Linux version as the
future PDA/Smartphones will use. They can make the HW specs a bit more up
to the current time with a much shorter cycle time to develop (let's admit
it, this initial design started what ? 3 years ago ?)
>
>Tough call, but business/marketing wise a lot smarter then just going
along and let it fail massively.
>
>Greetz,
>Nico.
>
>On 9/4/07, Bill Gamble <wwgamble@...> wrote:
>
>What's bad is all the time they wasted on this.
>
>_______
>Bill
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: foleo@yahoogroups.com [mailto:foleo@yahoogroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Nico
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 5:31 PM
>> To: foleo@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [foleo] Palm cancels Foleo
>>
>> This is soooo bad .... <sigh>
>>
>>
>> On 9/4/07, Bill Gamble <wwgamble@...> wrote:
>>
>>       <http://blog.palm.com/palm/2007/09/a-message-to-pa.html>
>>
>>       "A Message to Palm Customers, Partners and Developers
>>
>>       As many of you are aware, we are in the process of
>> building our next
>>       generation software platform. We are very excited about
>> how this is
>>       coming together. It has a modern flexible UI, instant
>> performance, and
>>       an incredibly simple and elegant development environment. We are
>>       working hard on this platform and on the first
>> smartphone that will
>>       take advantage of it.
>>
>>       In the course of the past several months, it has become
>> clear that the
>>       right path for Palm is to offer a single, consistent
>> user experience
>>       around this new platform design and a single focus for
>> our platform
>>       development efforts. To that end, and after careful
>> deliberation, I
>>       have decided to cancel the Foleo mobile companion product in its
>>       current configuration and focus all of our energies on
>> delivering out
>>       next generation platform and the first smartphones that
>> will bring
>>       this platform to market. We will, of course, continue to develop
>>       products in partnership with Microsoft on the Windows
>> Mobile platform,
>>       but from our internal platform development perspective,
>> we will focus
>>       on only one.
>>
>>       Because we were nearly at the point for shipping Foleo,
>> this was a
>>       very tough decision. Yet I am convinced this is the
>> right thing to do.
>>       Foleo is based on second platform and a separate development
>>       environment, and we need to focus our efforts on one
>> platform. Our own
>>       evaluation and early market feedback were telling us
>> that we still
>>       have a number of improvements to make Foleo a
>> world-class product, and
>>       we can not afford to make those improvements on a
>> platform that is not
>>       central to our core focus. That would not be right for
>> our customers
>>       or for our developer community.
>>
>>       Jeff Hawkins and I still believe that the market
>> category defined by
>>       Foleo has enormous potential. When we do Foleo II it
>> will be based on
>>       our new platform, and we think it will deliver on the
>> promise of this
>>       new category. We're not going to speculate now on
>> timing for a next
>>       Foleo, we just know we need to get our core platform
>> and smartphones
>>       done first.
>>
>>       I would like to thank our customers for their interest
>> in Foleo. I
>>       know there will be disappointed folks who were looking
>> forward to
>>       carrying a Foleo for all their mobile computing needs.
>> I am certainly
>>       one of them. I would also like to thank the developers who have
>>       supported our Foleo efforts. They have been loyal to
>> Palm and have
>>       worked hard to deliver some compelling solutions on the Foleo
>>       platform. I know that they will understand that the
>> right thing to do
>>       for the long run is to focus on one platform that will
>> live for years,
>>       rather than invest energy in a one-off solution. We
>> will make every
>>       effort to make sure we bring our developers forward to our next
>>       generation platform.
>>
>>       This decision will require us to take a limited charge
>> of less than
>>       $10 million dollars to our earnings. This is a lot of
>> money, but it is
>>       a small price relative to the costs that would be
>> required to support
>>       two platforms going forward. This decision is in the
>> best interest of
>>       our customers, our team, our products and our
>> shareholders. I hope
>>       this renewed focus at Palm will allow us to deliver
>> more compelling
>>       solutions to our core smartphone market, and it will
>> allow us to
>>       position ourselves for the long run around one Palm experience."
>>
>>       -Ed Colligan, CEO
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

Right, but you have to cut your losses when you know you're sinking too
much with more sinking to come.  Focusing on Linux smartphone instead will
pay off big time...
---
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Baltimore, Maryland USA

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...... Original Message .......
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 17:37:31 -0400 Bill Gamble <wwgamble@...> wrote:
>What's bad is all the time they wasted on this.
>
>_______
>Bill
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: foleo@yahoogroups.com [mailto:foleo@yahoogroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Nico
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 5:31 PM
>> To: foleo@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [foleo] Palm cancels Foleo
>>
>> This is soooo bad .... <sigh>
>>
>>
>> On 9/4/07, Bill Gamble <wwgamble@...> wrote:
>>
>>  <http://blog.palm.com/palm/2007/09/a-message-to-pa.html>
>>
>>  "A Message to Palm Customers, Partners and Developers
>>
>>  As many of you are aware, we are in the process of
>> building our next
>>  generation software platform. We are very excited about
>> how this is
>>  coming together. It has a modern flexible UI, instant
>> performance, and
>>  an incredibly simple and elegant development environment. We are
>>  working hard on this platform and on the first
>> smartphone that will
>>  take advantage of it.
>>
>>  In the course of the past several months, it has become
>> clear that the
>>  right path for Palm is to offer a single, consistent
>> user experience
>>  around this new platform design and a single focus for
>> our platform
>>  development efforts. To that end, and after careful
>> deliberation, I
>>  have decided to cancel the Foleo mobile companion product in its
>>  current configuration and focus all of our energies on
>> delivering out
>>  next generation platform and the first smartphones that
>> will bring
>>  this platform to market. We will, of course, continue to develop
>>  products in partnership with Microsoft on the Windows
>> Mobile platform,
>>  but from our internal platform development perspective,
>> we will focus
>>  on only one.
>>
>>  Because we were nearly at the point for shipping Foleo,
>> this was a
>>  very tough decision. Yet I am convinced this is the
>> right thing to do.
>>  Foleo is based on second platform and a separate development
>>  environment, and we need to focus our efforts on one
>> platform. Our own
>>  evaluation and early market feedback were telling us
>> that we still
>>  have a number of improvements to make Foleo a
>> world-class product, and
>>  we can not afford to make those improvements on a
>> platform that is not
>>  central to our core focus. That would not be right for
>> our customers
>>  or for our developer community.
>>
>>  Jeff Hawkins and I still believe that the market
>> category defined by
>>  Foleo has enormous potential. When we do Foleo II it
>> will be based on
>>  our new platform, and we think it will deliver on the
>> promise of this
>>  new category. We're not going to speculate now on
>> timing for a next
>>  Foleo, we just know we need to get our core platform
>> and smartphones
>>  done first.
>>
>>  I would like to thank our customers for their interest
>> in Foleo. I
>>  know there will be disappointed folks who were looking
>> forward to
>>  carrying a Foleo for all their mobile computing needs.
>> I am certainly
>>  one of them. I would also like to thank the developers who have
>>  supported our Foleo efforts. They have been loyal to
>> Palm and have
>>  worked hard to deliver some compelling solutions on the Foleo
>>  platform. I know that they will understand that the
>> right thing to do
>>  for the long run is to focus on one platform that will
>> live for years,
>>  rather than invest energy in a one-off solution. We
>> will make every
>>  effort to make sure we bring our developers forward to our next
>>  generation platform.
>>
>>  This decision will require us to take a limited charge
>> of less than
>>  $10 million dollars to our earnings. This is a lot of
>> money, but it is
>>  a small price relative to the costs that would be
>> required to support
>>  two platforms going forward. This decision is in the
>> best interest of
>>  our customers, our team, our products and our
>> shareholders. I hope
>>  this renewed focus at Palm will allow us to deliver
>> more compelling
>>  solutions to our core smartphone market, and it will
>> allow us to
>>  position ourselves for the long run around one Palm experience."
>>
>>  -Ed Colligan, CEO
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Wrong.  It had to have been a huge distraction to the new Linux smartphone
development.

The potential customers spoke out on the shortcomings of the Foleo...

What would have been worse is if they actually brought it to market and had
dismal sales and a lot of returns.
---
Roger Prokic
Baltimore, Maryland USA

-=[ This email was sent from a Palm Treo 680 palm computer using
SnapperMail Enterprise Edition v2.3.7.01 ]=-

...... Original Message .......
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:31:06 +0200 Nico <holvoetn.snapper@...> wrote:
>This is soooo bad .... <sigh>
>
>On 9/4/07, Bill Gamble <wwgamble@...> wrote:
>
><http://blog.palm.com/palm/2007/09/a-message-to-pa.html>
>
>"A Message to Palm Customers, Partners and Developers
>
>As many of you are aware, we are in the process of building our next
>generation software platform. We are very excited about how this is
>coming together. It has a modern flexible UI, instant performance, and
>an incredibly simple and elegant development environment. We are
>working hard on this platform and on the first smartphone that will
>take advantage of it.
>
>In the course of the past several months, it has become clear that the
>right path for Palm is to offer a single, consistent user experience
>around this new platform design and a single focus for our platform
>development efforts. To that end, and after careful deliberation, I
>have decided to cancel the Foleo mobile companion product in its
>current configuration and focus all of our energies on delivering out
>next generation platform and the first smartphones that will bring
>this platform to market. We will, of course, continue to develop
>products in partnership with Microsoft on the Windows Mobile platform,
>but from our internal platform development perspective, we will focus
>on only one.
>
>Because we were nearly at the point for shipping Foleo, this was a
>very tough decision. Yet I am convinced this is the right thing to do.
>Foleo is based on second platform and a separate development
>environment, and we need to focus our efforts on one platform. Our own
>evaluation and early market feedback were telling us that we still
>have a number of improvements to make Foleo a world-class product, and
>we can not afford to make those improvements on a platform that is not
>central to our core focus. That would not be right for our customers
>or for our developer community.
>
>Jeff Hawkins and I still believe that the market category defined by
>Foleo has enormous potential. When we do Foleo II it will be based on
>our new platform, and we think it will deliver on the promise of this
>new category. We're not going to speculate now on timing for a next
>Foleo, we just know we need to get our core platform and smartphones
>done first.
>
>I would like to thank our customers for their interest in Foleo. I
>know there will be disappointed folks who were looking forward to
>carrying a Foleo for all their mobile computing needs. I am certainly
>one of them. I would also like to thank the developers who have
>supported our Foleo efforts. They have been loyal to Palm and have
>worked hard to deliver some compelling solutions on the Foleo
>platform. I know that they will understand that the right thing to do
>for the long run is to focus on one platform that will live for years,
>rather than invest energy in a one-off solution. We will make every
>effort to make sure we bring our developers forward to our next
>generation platform.
>
>This decision will require us to take a limited charge of less than
>$10 million dollars to our earnings. This is a lot of money, but it is
>a small price relative to the costs that would be required to support
>two platforms going forward. This decision is in the best interest of
>our customers, our team, our products and our shareholders. I hope
>this renewed focus at Palm will allow us to deliver more compelling
>solutions to our core smartphone market, and it will allow us to
>position ourselves for the long run around one Palm experience."
>
>-Ed Colligan, CEO
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

What's shocking (beyond the whole, you know, 86'ing a major product!)
is that they had two platforms to begin with.  I'd sorta assumed that
the Foleo's OS was related to the new PalmOS and that Palm's dancing
around that subject was due to the fact that they didn't want to come
clean about that.  Turns out that dancing was due to the fact that
they were two different platforms.

Craaazy.

--- In foleo@yahoogroups.com, Nico <holvoetn.snapper@...> wrote:
>
> Yes and no.
>
> Yes because nothing came out of it when everybody was waiting for it.
> No since it will certainly have provided Palm a lot of experience and
> knowledge how to handle this for the next version.
>
> For example, they can now assure it uses the same Linux version as the
> future PDA/Smartphones will use. They can make the HW specs a bit
more up to
> the current time with a much shorter cycle time to develop (let's
admit it,
> this initial design started what ? 3 years ago ?)
>
> Tough call, but business/marketing wise a lot smarter then just
going along
> and let it fail massively.
>
> Greetz,
> Nico.
>
> On 9/4/07, Bill Gamble <wwgamble@...> wrote:
> >
> > What's bad is all the time they wasted on this.
> >
> > _______
> > Bill
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: foleo@yahoogroups.com [mailto:foleo@yahoogroups.com] On
> > > Behalf Of Nico
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 5:31 PM
> > > To: foleo@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [foleo] Palm cancels Foleo
> > >
> > > This is soooo bad .... <sigh>
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/4/07, Bill Gamble <wwgamble@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >       <http://blog.palm.com/palm/2007/09/a-message-to-pa.html>
> > >
> > >       "A Message to Palm Customers, Partners and Developers
> > >
> > >       As many of you are aware, we are in the process of
> > > building our next
> > >       generation software platform. We are very excited about
> > > how this is
> > >       coming together. It has a modern flexible UI, instant
> > > performance, and
> > >       an incredibly simple and elegant development environment.
We are
> > >       working hard on this platform and on the first
> > > smartphone that will
> > >       take advantage of it.
> > >
> > >       In the course of the past several months, it has become
> > > clear that the
> > >       right path for Palm is to offer a single, consistent
> > > user experience
> > >       around this new platform design and a single focus for
> > > our platform
> > >       development efforts. To that end, and after careful
> > > deliberation, I
> > >       have decided to cancel the Foleo mobile companion product
in its
> > >       current configuration and focus all of our energies on
> > > delivering out
> > >       next generation platform and the first smartphones that
> > > will bring
> > >       this platform to market. We will, of course, continue to
develop
> > >       products in partnership with Microsoft on the Windows
> > > Mobile platform,
> > >       but from our internal platform development perspective,
> > > we will focus
> > >       on only one.
> > >
> > >       Because we were nearly at the point for shipping Foleo,
> > > this was a
> > >       very tough decision. Yet I am convinced this is the
> > > right thing to do.
> > >       Foleo is based on second platform and a separate development
> > >       environment, and we need to focus our efforts on one
> > > platform. Our own
> > >       evaluation and early market feedback were telling us
> > > that we still
> > >       have a number of improvements to make Foleo a
> > > world-class product, and
> > >       we can not afford to make those improvements on a
> > > platform that is not
> > >       central to our core focus. That would not be right for
> > > our customers
> > >       or for our developer community.
> > >
> > >       Jeff Hawkins and I still believe that the market
> > > category defined by
> > >       Foleo has enormous potential. When we do Foleo II it
> > > will be based on
> > >       our new platform, and we think it will deliver on the
> > > promise of this
> > >       new category. We're not going to speculate now on
> > > timing for a next
> > >       Foleo, we just know we need to get our core platform
> > > and smartphones
> > >       done first.
> > >
> > >       I would like to thank our customers for their interest
> > > in Foleo. I
> > >       know there will be disappointed folks who were looking
> > > forward to
> > >       carrying a Foleo for all their mobile computing needs.
> > > I am certainly
> > >       one of them. I would also like to thank the developers who
have
> > >       supported our Foleo efforts. They have been loyal to
> > > Palm and have
> > >       worked hard to deliver some compelling solutions on the Foleo
> > >       platform. I know that they will understand that the
> > > right thing to do
> > >       for the long run is to focus on one platform that will
> > > live for years,
> > >       rather than invest energy in a one-off solution. We
> > > will make every
> > >       effort to make sure we bring our developers forward to our
next
> > >       generation platform.
> > >
> > >       This decision will require us to take a limited charge
> > > of less than
> > >       $10 million dollars to our earnings. This is a lot of
> > > money, but it is
> > >       a small price relative to the costs that would be
> > > required to support
> > >       two platforms going forward. This decision is in the
> > > best interest of
> > >       our customers, our team, our products and our
> > > shareholders. I hope
> > >       this renewed focus at Palm will allow us to deliver
> > > more compelling
> > >       solutions to our core smartphone market, and it will
> > > allow us to
> > >       position ourselves for the long run around one Palm
experience."
> > >
> > >       -Ed Colligan, CEO
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

What's bad is all the time they wasted on this.

_______
Bill

> -----Original Message-----
> From: foleo@yahoogroups.com [mailto:foleo@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Nico
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 5:31 PM
> To: foleo@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [foleo] Palm cancels Foleo
>
> This is soooo bad .... <sigh>
>
>
> On 9/4/07, Bill Gamble <wwgamble@...> wrote:
>
>  <http://blog.palm.com/palm/2007/09/a-message-to-pa.html>
>
>  "A Message to Palm Customers, Partners and Developers
>
>  As many of you are aware, we are in the process of
> building our next
>  generation software platform. We are very excited about
> how this is
>  coming together. It has a modern flexible UI, instant
> performance, and
>  an incredibly simple and elegant development environment. We are
>  working hard on this platform and on the first
> smartphone that will
>  take advantage of it.
>
>  In the course of the past several months, it has become
> clear that the
>  right path for Palm is to offer a single, consistent
> user experience
>  around this new platform design and a single focus for
> our platform
>  development efforts. To that end, and after careful
> deliberation, I
>  have decided to cancel the Foleo mobile companion product in its
>  current configuration and focus all of our energies on
> delivering out
>  next generation platform and the first smartphones that
> will bring
>  this platform to market. We will, of course, continue to develop
>  products in partnership with Microsoft on the Windows
> Mobile platform,
>  but from our internal platform development perspective,
> we will focus
>  on only one.
>
>  Because we were nearly at the point for shipping Foleo,
> this was a
>  very tough decision. Yet I am convinced this is the
> right thing to do.
>  Foleo is based on second platform and a separate development
>  environment, and we need to focus our efforts on one
> platform. Our own
>  evaluation and early market feedback were telling us
> that we still
>  have a number of improvements to make Foleo a
> world-class product, and
>  we can not afford to make those improvements on a
> platform that is not
>  central to our core focus. That would not be right for
> our customers
>  or for our developer community.
>
>  Jeff Hawkins and I still believe that the market
> category defined by
>  Foleo has enormous potential. When we do Foleo II it
> will be based on
>  our new platform, and we think it will deliver on the
> promise of this
>  new category. We're not going to speculate now on
> timing for a next
>  Foleo, we just know we need to get our core platform
> and smartphones
>  done first.
>
>  I would like to thank our customers for their interest
> in Foleo. I
>  know there will be disappointed folks who were looking
> forward to
>  carrying a Foleo for all their mobile computing needs.
> I am certainly
>  one of them. I would also like to thank the developers who have
>  supported our Foleo efforts. They have been loyal to
> Palm and have
>  worked hard to deliver some compelling solutions on the Foleo
>  platform. I know that they will understand that the
> right thing to do
>  for the long run is to focus on one platform that will
> live for years,
>  rather than invest energy in a one-off solution. We
> will make every
>  effort to make sure we bring our developers forward to our next
>  generation platform.
>
>  This decision will require us to take a limited charge
> of less than
>  $10 million dollars to our earnings. This is a lot of
> money, but it is
>  a small price relative to the costs that would be
> required to support
>  two platforms going forward. This decision is in the
> best interest of
>  our customers, our team, our products and our
> shareholders. I hope
>  this renewed focus at Palm will allow us to deliver
> more compelling
>  solutions to our core smartphone market, and it will
> allow us to
>  position ourselves for the long run around one Palm experience."
>
>  -Ed Colligan, CEO

What an excellent decision!

Ed Colligan made a tough decision.  10M is a lot of money to write off.
But it was without a doubt the right decision.
I'm sure we will now see the Linux version Treo much sooner.

Roger
---
Roger Prokic
Baltimore, Maryland USA

-=[ This email was sent from a Palm Treo 680 palm computer using
SnapperMail Enterprise Edition v2.3.7.01 ]=-

...... Original Message .......
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:20:28 +0000 Bill Gamble <wwgamble@...> wrote:
><http://blog.palm.com/palm/2007/09/a-message-to-pa.html>
>
>"A Message to Palm Customers, Partners and Developers
>
>As many of you are aware, we are in the process of building our next
>generation software platform. We are very excited about how this is
>coming together. It has a modern flexible UI, instant performance, and
>an incredibly simple and elegant development environment. We are
>working hard on this platform and on the first smartphone that will
>take advantage of it.
>
>In the course of the past several months, it has become clear that the
>right path for Palm is to offer a single, consistent user experience
>around this new platform design and a single focus for our platform
>development efforts. To that end, and after careful deliberation, I
>have decided to cancel the Foleo mobile companion product in its
>current configuration and focus all of our energies on delivering out
>next generation platform and the first smartphones that will bring
>this platform to market. We will, of course, continue to develop
>products in partnership with Microsoft on the Windows Mobile platform,
>but from our internal platform development perspective, we will focus
>on only one.
>
>Because we were nearly at the point for shipping Foleo, this was a
>very tough decision. Yet I am convinced this is the right thing to do.
>Foleo is based on second platform and a separate development
>environment, and we need to focus our efforts on one platform. Our own
>evaluation and early market feedback were telling us that we still
>have a number of improvements to make Foleo a world-class product, and
>we can not afford to make those improvements on a platform that is not
>central to our core focus. That would not be right for our customers
>or for our developer community.
>
>Jeff Hawkins and I still believe that the market category defined by
>Foleo has enormous potential. When we do Foleo II it will be based on
>our new platform, and we think it will deliver on the promise of this
>new category. We're not going to speculate now on timing for a next
>Foleo, we just know we need to get our core platform and smartphones
>done first.
>
>I would like to thank our customers for their interest in Foleo. I
>know there will be disappointed folks who were looking forward to
>carrying a Foleo for all their mobile computing needs. I am certainly
>one of them. I would also like to thank the developers who have
>supported our Foleo efforts. They have been loyal to Palm and have
>worked hard to deliver some compelling solutions on the Foleo
>platform. I know that they will understand that the right thing to do
>for the long run is to focus on one platform that will live for years,
>rather than invest energy in a one-off solution. We will make every
>effort to make sure we bring our developers forward to our next
>generation platform.
>
>This decision will require us to take a limited charge of less than
>$10 million dollars to our earnings. This is a lot of money, but it is
>a small price relative to the costs that would be required to support
>two platforms going forward. This decision is in the best interest of
>our customers, our team, our products and our shareholders. I hope
>this renewed focus at Palm will allow us to deliver more compelling
>solutions to our core smartphone market, and it will allow us to
>position ourselves for the long run around one Palm experience."
>
>-Ed Colligan, CEO
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

<http://blog.palm.com/palm/2007/09/a-message-to-pa.html>

"A Message to Palm Customers, Partners and Developers

As many of you are aware, we are in the process of building our next
generation software platform. We are very excited about how this is
coming together. It has a modern flexible UI, instant performance, and
an incredibly simple and elegant development environment. We are
working hard on this platform and on the first smartphone that will
take advantage of it.

In the course of the past several months, it has become clear that the
right path for Palm is to offer a single, consistent user experience
around this new platform design and a single focus for our platform
development efforts. To that end, and after careful deliberation, I
have decided to cancel the Foleo mobile companion product in its
current configuration and focus all of our energies on delivering out
next generation platform and the first smartphones that will bring
this platform to market. We will, of course, continue to develop
products in partnership with Microsoft on the Windows Mobile platform,
but from our internal platform development perspective, we will focus
on only one.

Because we were nearly at the point for shipping Foleo, this was a
very tough decision. Yet I am convinced this is the right thing to do.
Foleo is based on second platform and a separate development
environment, and we need to focus our efforts on one platform. Our own
evaluation and early market feedback were telling us that we still
have a number of improvements to make Foleo a world-class product, and
we can not afford to make those improvements on a platform that is not
central to our core focus. That would not be right for our customers
or for our developer community.

Jeff Hawkins and I still believe that the market category defined by
Foleo has enormous potential. When we do Foleo II it will be based on
our new platform, and we think it will deliver on the promise of this
new category. We're not going to speculate now on timing for a next
Foleo, we just know we need to get our core platform and smartphones
done first.

I would like to thank our customers for their interest in Foleo. I
know there will be disappointed folks who were looking forward to
carrying a Foleo for all their mobile computing needs. I am certainly
one of them. I would also like to thank the developers who have
supported our Foleo efforts. They have been loyal to Palm and have
worked hard to deliver some compelling solutions on the Foleo
platform. I know that they will understand that the right thing to do
for the long run is to focus on one platform that will live for years,
rather than invest energy in a one-off solution. We will make every
effort to make sure we bring our developers forward to our next
generation platform.

This decision will require us to take a limited charge of less than
$10 million dollars to our earnings. This is a lot of money, but it is
a small price relative to the costs that would be required to support
two platforms going forward. This decision is in the best interest of
our customers, our team, our products and our shareholders. I hope
this renewed focus at Palm will allow us to deliver more compelling
solutions to our core smartphone market, and it will allow us to
position ourselves for the long run around one Palm experience."

-Ed Colligan, CEO

Well it sure does look like a Foleo, but the Palm logo seems to be
missing from the lid; juvenile comments aside.

Does anyone know what the status of the beta is?

Alan

--- In foleo@yahoogroups.com, "Joel Suplido" <joel@...> wrote:
>
> Engadget has pictures. Just don't mind the juvenile comments.
> http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/29/palms-foleo-in-the-wild/
>

Engadget has pictures. Just don't mind the juvenile comments.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/29/palms-foleo-in-the-wild/

Well, I wasn't selected.

(Or they used the words: Casino Black jack, gamble, Pharmam Viagra Lottery
or Rolex in their reply. Then my Yahoo spam filters trashed it. Of course
that would be the first time it actually worked...)

Yeah, good point. If anyone here rides Caltrain regularly around the
Sunnyvale area, keep your eyes open! :)

   http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/14/iphone-spotted-in-public/

-Bill "Stuck on 101"


--- In foleo@yahoogroups.com, "Joel Suplido" <joel@...> wrote:
>
> iPhone was field tested secretly before it was released. Palm could be
> doing/imitating the same process. :)
>
> Joel
>
> --- In foleo@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Moore" <wlmoore@> wrote:
> >
> > Friends,
> > The selections have been made. It's not clear if notifications have
> > gone out but most likely no news is bad news (depending on your point
> > of view). You're in their database though and may be considered for
> > future opportunities.
> >
> > http://discussion.treocentral.com/showpost.php?p=1323419&postcount=109
> >
> > -Bill
> >
> >
> > --- In foleo@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Moore" <wlmoore@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear friends and colleagues,
> > > I honestly and truly don't know what this is about and I probably
> > will
> > > never find out as I don't meet the stated requirements. Still, as
> > > there are a few Treo enthusiasts on this list I'm sure you'll find
> > > this of interest:
> > >
> > > http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=148352
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > -Bill
> > >
> >
>