I ran across this too. Put the browse button graphics in the same folder with
the .db? files that FH creates. Then Click the Build button. There should be a
settings button in the Page Layout frame.From there, make sure you browse to the
right file. You may need to just erase the path there and enter just the file
name...Make sure you change them for both the enabled and disabled images.

Dana Cline

Really wierd one here . . .

I'm using Forehelp 5.0.2 , building chm files.  External style sheet (don't
overwrite option)

I have paragraphs marked as 'bullet1' style.  When I build the htm files
and compile, they are being tagged as 'bullet11'  - suble difference -
notice the extra '1' there.

'Bullet11' style doesn't exist in my Forehelp style list - or in my style
sheet.  I couldn't get it to build properly last night - got to 1 am, so I
cheated and added it to my style sheet - at least the chm looks ok now.

Anyone else come across this before?


Alastair Dent
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----- Original Message -----

From: Alastair Dent

To: forehelp@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 3:31 AM

Subject: [forehelp] Forehelp inventing styles in htm files

Really wierd one here . . .

I'm using Forehelp 5.0.2 , building chm files.  External style sheet (don't
overwrite option)

I have paragraphs marked as 'bullet1' style.  When I build the htm files
and compile, they are being tagged as 'bullet11'  - suble difference -
notice the extra '1' there.

'Bullet11' style doesn't exist in my Forehelp style list - or in my style
sheet.  I couldn't get it to build properly last night - got to 1 am, so I
cheated and added it to my style sheet - at least the chm looks ok now.

Anyone else come across this before?


Alastair Dent
Product Manuals Leader

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Jervaulx House
6 St Mary's Court
Blossom Street
York
YO24 1AH
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1904 639091
Fax: +44 (0) 1904 639092
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Dear Alistair,

Emily's message stirred a couple of old grey cells into activity.
I recall a time when ForeHelp would (not) overwrite graphics when
it wanted to change a bitmap to transparent. There is a setting
on the Preferences, General tab that says something to that effect.
I have that selected, so any changes overwrite the original file,
but if it isn't selected, FH may be changing the name of the bitmap
file by adding a number on the end.

It may not be that... after all yours is a style that's affected...
but you never know!

Best regards,

David

Dear Alistair,

Emily's message stirred a couple of old grey cells into activity.
I recall a time when ForeHelp would (not) overwrite graphics when
it wanted to change a bitmap to transparent. There is a setting
on the Preferences, General tab that says something to that effect.
I have that selected, so any changes overwrite the original file,
but if it isn't selected, FH may be changing the name of the bitmap
file by adding a number on the end.

It may not be that... after all yours is a style that's affected...
but you never know!

Best regards,

David

I ran across this too. Put the browse button graphics in the same folder with the .db? files that FH creates. Then Click the Build button. There should be a settings button in the Page Layout frame.From there, make sure you browse to the right file. You may need to just erase the path there and enter just the file name...Make sure you change them for both the enabled and disabled images.

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In sum, the new ForeHelp list owner is Pete Lees (who also moderates the
MSHelp2 list at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MSHelp2 ) and our new
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This email was sent to you on Monday, December 02, 2002 at 10:00:10 AM,
Boulder time...

Hi there,

I'm updating a help file using Forehelp 5.0 and for some reason I have a
popup that insists on jumping. Here's the story:

I'm using the Related Topics Wizard and in the Advanced HTML Help Options I
have specified that the hotspot should display as a popup menu. However,
when I compile and test, the hotspot jumps to the other topic rather than
displaying the popup menu.

I've deleted it and redid it and still get the same behavior. I really don't
understand - none of the others in the help file behave this way and this is
not the first time I have used this.

Any help would be most appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Ann Waterhouse
Senior Technical Writer
Crescendo Systems Corporation
5305 Notre Dame, Suite 200
Laval, Quebec, Canada H7W 4T8
Tel: (450) 973-8029
Fax: (450) 973-4449
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Waterhouse [mailto:ann@...]
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 2:47 PM
To: forehelp@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [forehelp] Popups are jumping

Hi there,

I'm updating a help file using Forehelp 5.0 and for some reason I have a
popup that insists on jumping. Here's the story:

I'm using the Related Topics Wizard and in the Advanced HTML Help Options I
have specified that the hotspot should display as a popup menu. However,
when I compile and test, the hotspot jumps to the other topic rather than
displaying the popup menu.

I've deleted it and redid it and still get the same behavior. I really don't
understand - none of the others in the help file behave this way and this is
not the first time I have used this.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Waterhouse [mailto:ann@...]
Sent: 02 December 2002 20:47
To: forehelp@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [forehelp] Popups are jumping[Scanned]

Hi there,

I'm updating a help file using Forehelp 5.0 and for some reason I have a
popup that insists on jumping. Here's the story:

I'm using the Related Topics Wizard and in the Advanced HTML Help Options I
have specified that the hotspot should display as a popup menu. However,
when I compile and test, the hotspot jumps to the other topic rather than
displaying the popup menu.

I've deleted it and redid it and still get the same behavior. I really don't
understand - none of the others in the help file behave this way and this is
not the first time I have used this.

Any help would be most appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Ann Waterhouse
Senior Technical Writer
Crescendo Systems Corporation
5305 Notre Dame, Suite 200
Laval, Quebec, Canada H7W 4T8
Tel: (450) 973-8029
Fax: (450) 973-4449
This correspondence contains confidential company information intended only
for the person(s) named. Any use, distribution, duplication or disclosure by
another person is strictly prohibited.





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-----Original Message-----
From: Angi Phillips
Sent: 03 December 2002 10:41
To: forehelp@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [forehelp] Popups are jumping[Scanned]

Do the other hotspots that work also only have one target?

 

Have you checked the HTML code or the Object Tag parameters for a hotspot that works and one that doesn't?

 

I don't use the Related Topics Wizard but I do use the Alink control and it has an extra flag for what to do if there is only one target - either jump straight there or show the popup.  In older versions of FH (sorry, I don't remember which one), I would tick the check box saying "show the popup if only one item" but when it created the code it occasionally missed the flag off.  So I manually edited the Object Tag in the topic and added the flag - it was an extra "1" on one of the parameters, I think.

 

I haven't had the problem with the 5.01 version I use now (or at least I haven't noticed it yet).

 

Angi

Angi,

> I just checked the HTML Help Workshop help, and it seems that the
> extra flag (PARAM Name="Flags" Value="1") is only used for Alink
> and Klink, not Related Topics.

I believe the help is wrong about this. If you use the ActiveX
control wizard in HTML Help Workshop to insert a Related Topics link,
and you choose the option to "Display dialog or menu even if only one
title", then you get a control like this:

<OBJECT id="hhctrl"
   classid="clsid:adb880a6-d8ff-11cf-9377-00aa003b7a11">
     <PARAM name="Command" value="Related Topics, MENU">
     <PARAM name="Button" value="Text:Click Me">
     <PARAM name="Flags" value="1">
     <PARAM name="Item1" value="Topic title;filename.htm">
</OBJECT>

The Flags parameter has the same effect here as in a KLink or ALink
control.

Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Lees [mailto:PD.Lees@...]
Sent: 03 December 2002 12:56
To: forehelp@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [forehelp] Re: Popups are jumping[Scanned]

I believe the help is wrong about this. If you use the ActiveX
control wizard in HTML Help Workshop to insert a Related Topics link,
and you choose the option to "Display dialog or menu even if only one
title", then you get a control like this:

<OBJECT id="hhctrl"
  classid="clsid:adb880a6-d8ff-11cf-9377-00aa003b7a11">
    <PARAM name="Command" value="Related Topics, MENU">
    <PARAM name="Button" value="Text:Click Me">
    <PARAM name="Flags" value="1">
    <PARAM name="Item1" value="Topic title;filename.htm">
</OBJECT>

The Flags parameter has the same effect here as in a KLink or ALink
control.

Pete

I'd like to say thanks to Ross for moderating this list over the past couple of
years, and also to Pete Lees and Dana Cline for taking on the job.  I'm sure
we're in good hands.  This is a great list!

And just in case anyone is in the mood for solving mysteries...

This isn't a *problem*, as such - it's more of a puzzle.  When I'm creating or
editing topics (in FH 5.0.2), I can apply a bullet style to a paragraph.  So
far, so good.  If I then select all the text in that paragraph and turn it into
a jump, all of a sudden, the text zooms off to the extreme right-hand side of
the topic and appears to go up a line and the bullet vanishes altogether.  But
when I build the topic, it displays just as it should.  And if I don't select
the text all the way up to the bullet to make the jump, or if I add in, say, a
space before the jump, it goes back to normal.  Weird, no?

So it's not really a problem, because it displays properly when I build - it's
just something affecting the edit topic display.  But it's intriguing me, so if
anyone has any ideas, I'd love to hear them.  Otherwise, I'll just chalk it up
to aliens putting space dust on my computer and I'll learn to live without
knowing the answer. :-)

Ellen Phillips


Technical Writer
Locum Software Services Ltd
Locum House
84 Brown Street
Sheffield
S1 2BS

Tel: +44 (0) 114 276-7609
Fax: +44 (0) 114 276-0086
www.locumsoftware.co.uk

Alastair,

> I have paragraphs marked as 'bullet1' style.  When I build the htm
> files and compile, they are being tagged as 'bullet11'

FWIW, we experienced the EXACT same problem on a project a year or
two ago. I don't think we ever tracked down the cause of the problem,
but the workaround of adding the "bullet11" style to the style sheet
is probably as simple a solution as any.

In our case, and because there were a number of formatting problems
to deal with, we created a batch script with FAR
(http://helpware.net/FAR/index.html) to perform multiple search-and-
replace operations on the build files. We then recompiled the project
with HTML Help Workshop. This works well enough but is probably not
the preferred solution, as you have to remember to run the script
after every build.

If it's any help, there is a white paper called "Effective Formatting
with ForeHelp Styles" at:

http://www.wwwinnovations.com/resources/ForeHelp/Styles.pdf

But the troubleshooting section at the end doesn't address the
problem you raised.

Pete

Ta for that.  It is nice to know that I'm not going crazy.

The post-processing option is probably not for me - as I typically produce
a new documention release every week, from multiple development streams,
and I'm working by myself.

On Tuesday, December 03, 2002 4:01 PM, Pete Lees
[SMTP:PD.Lees@...] wrote:
> Alastair,
>
> > I have paragraphs marked as 'bullet1' style.  When I build the htm
> > files and compile, they are being tagged as 'bullet11'
>
> FWIW, we experienced the EXACT same problem on a project a year or
> two ago. I don't think we ever tracked down the cause of the problem,
> but the workaround of adding the "bullet11" style to the style sheet
> is probably as simple a solution as any.
>
> In our case, and because there were a number of formatting problems
> to deal with, we created a batch script with FAR
> (http://helpware.net/FAR/index.html) to perform multiple search-and-
> replace operations on the build files. We then recompiled the project
> with HTML Help Workshop. This works well enough but is probably not
> the preferred solution, as you have to remember to run the script
> after every build.
>
> If it's any help, there is a white paper called "Effective Formatting
> with ForeHelp Styles" at:
>
> http://www.wwwinnovations.com/resources/ForeHelp/Styles.pdf
>
> But the troubleshooting section at the end doesn't address the
> problem you raised.
>
> Pete
>
>
>
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>

Ross Flaven
Boulder, CO
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This email was sent to you on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 at 9:27:49 AM, Boulder time...

-----Original Message-----
From: Ellen Phillips [mailto:ellenscult@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 8:20 AM
To: forehelp@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [forehelp] More odd things... (and thank-you)

I'd like to say thanks to Ross for moderating this list over the past couple of years, and also to Pete Lees and Dana Cline for taking on the job.  I'm sure we're in good hands.  This is a great list!

How many colours are you using in your graphics?  If there are more than
256 colours in each graphic, that may be the source of your problem.

On Wednesday, December 04, 2002 1:13 PM, Lourenco de Paula
[SMTP:lourenco.d@...] wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I am using Fore Help 2.97, I having problems on compile a help file when
it is adding bitmaps.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
>  << File: ATT00000.html >>  << File: error.jpg >>

--- In forehelp@y..., "Cline, Dana (Dana)" <danacline@a...> wrote:
> >>having problems on compile a help file when it is adding bitmaps.
>
> Can you give us more information? Does the compile die on a
specific bitmap? Which version of the compiler? I think older
versions couldn't do 24-bit color, or had other limitations. What
program was used to create the bitmap? Do you get a specific error
message during the compile?
>
> Dana Cline

Sorry, I attached a picture but it does not appear in the body of the
mail, the error that happens is "There is not enough memory avaliable
for this task. Quit one or more applications to increase avaliable
memory, and then try again"

My PC configuration:
PIII 900 - 256 Mb RAM - HD 20 Gb - W2000

The graphics are 24 bits Bitmap (BMP). What I'm not undertand is that
I've already had compiled this file yet, and now I changed some
graphics and than it doesn't compile more.

--- In forehelp@y..., Alastair Dent <alastair.dent@v...> wrote:
> How many colours are you using in your graphics?  If there are more
than
> 256 colours in each graphic, that may be the source of your problem.
>
> On Wednesday, December 04, 2002 1:13 PM, Lourenco de Paula
> [SMTP:lourenco.d@c...] wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am using Fore Help 2.97, I having problems on compile a help
file when
> it is adding bitmaps.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
----
> --------
> >  << File: ATT00000.html >>  << File: error.jpg >>

>>PIII 900 - 256 Mb RAM - HD 20 Gb - W2000

OK, should be plenty of memory. Look at wherever your Temp directory is and make
sure that drive has plenty of free space.

Sounds like the problem lies in the bitmap itself. Is it particularly large
(i.e., several megabytes)? Do you have the latest help compiler (4.03, I think)?
Are there a lot of bitmaps in the help file? So it sounds like the compiler
doesn't actually point you to the offending bitmap? If you've only a few new
ones, you could selectively omit them from the compile and see if that makes a
difference...

Dana Cline

24 bit is high . . . but should be ok.

Since your file used to compile, the problem must be one of your graphics.
Remove all the changed graphics from the build. Add one back to the build,
rebuild.  If it fails, that is your problem graphic.  Repeat this until you
find the problem graphic.

Check that the rtf files being output contain 'bm*' (where * can be c, r,
or l) references for the graphics, instead of having the graphic pasted in
there.

On Wednesday, December 04, 2002 5:37 PM, Lourenco de Paula
[SMTP:lourenco.d@...] wrote:
> The graphics are 24 bits Bitmap (BMP). What I'm not undertand is that
> I've already had compiled this file yet, and now I changed some
> graphics and than it doesn't compile more.
>
> --- In forehelp@y..., Alastair Dent <alastair.dent@v...> wrote:
> > How many colours are you using in your graphics?  If there are more
> than
> > 256 colours in each graphic, that may be the source of your problem.
> >
> > On Wednesday, December 04, 2002 1:13 PM, Lourenco de Paula
> > [SMTP:lourenco.d@c...] wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I am using Fore Help 2.97, I having problems on compile a help
> file when
> > it is adding bitmaps.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> > --------
> > >  << File: ATT00000.html >>  << File: error.jpg >>
>
>
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Forehelp makes the help look just like windows help,
in my experience, I can't tell the difference.

FH is a good tool. I just use everything set at default.

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