Alexis,

Did the officials drop the case because of the cocaine in the
victims body and decide it was a suicide instead of a homicide?

DJ



--- In forensic-science@y..., "alexis " <angel1331acc@m...> wrote:
> Can anyone tell me how much cocaine this is:
>
> "0.01 mg of cocaine per 100 gram of material"
>
> This is taken from an autopsy report, and I'm trying to figure out
what the
> indications are in this report.
>
> Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!
>
> Take care...................................
>
>
> Alexis Campbell
> Area Director
> Delaware, Minnesota and New Mexico
> The Doe Network ~ www.doenetwork.org
> www.doenetwork.bravepages.com
> Email: angel1331acc@m...

DJ,

No. I do not believe so. The death was ruled a Homicide, but the cause of
death was undetermined, but unnatural causes.

I'm just trying to figure out if they decided not to pursue it any longer
because she had cocaine in her system. If this amount was a lot, then I
could at least understand the reasoning behind it, although I would not
agree with it.

I think there may be something more going on here, possibly a cover up of
sorts. I don't want to go into it any further on the list, but if you are
interested, or you think you can help, please e-mail me privately, and I'll
give you more info.

Thanks for your response!


Alexis Campbell
Area Director
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Email: angel1331acc@...

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From: forensic-science@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 01, 2002 14:17:40
To: forensic-science@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [forensic-science] Re: Group Question

Alexis,

Did the officials drop the case because of the cocaine in the
victims body and decide it was a suicide instead of a homicide?

DJ

--- In forensic-science@y..., "alexis " <angel1331acc@m...> wrote:
> Can anyone tell me how much cocaine this is:
>
> "0.01 mg of cocaine per 100 gram of material"
>
> This is taken from an autopsy report, and I'm trying to figure out
what the
> indications are in this report.
>
> Thanks in advance to anyone who can help!
>
> Take care...................................
>
>
> Alexis Campbell

Hello

I am very intrested in the case.
Is the case going to be investigated?
Was their enough cocaine to kill her?
Was there any other evidence?

Andrew


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them.


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Can anyone offer me any info on gun residue testing? Is the old
paraffin testing completely obsolete? (Seems it should be, but...)

What types of tests are used to tell if someone recently fired a
weapon? I've done some reading on FAAS, etc., but it seems the tests
are pretty limited, especially if there's been time lapse of 12-24
hours or more between the shooting and the test.

Do any labs regularly use these tests? How limited are they? I've
read that they're really only useful for handguns, not rifles. True?

Also, what about gun residue left on an object near the muzzle...
like a window the gun was pointed out of?  Can that be tested for...
and what would it tell you besides it's positive for gun residue?

Bill Flood
Producer
Forensic Files

At 06:12 PM 11/4/02 +0000, you wrote:
>Can anyone offer me any info on gun residue testing? Is the old
>paraffin testing completely obsolete? (Seems it should be, but...)

Yes - it is obsolete.


>What types of tests are used to tell if someone recently fired a
>weapon? I've done some reading on FAAS, etc., but it seems the tests
>are pretty limited, especially if there's been time lapse of 12-24
>hours or more between the shooting and the test.

Tests which can be conducted within a few minutes - or maybe an hour or two
in some circumstances - on a live person are to swab the hands or sample
with sticky tape to remove particles of residue that are  analyzed using
scanning electron microscopy (or atomic absorption spectroscopy, which is
really an outmoded technique anymore).

>Do any labs regularly use these tests? How limited are they? I've
>read that they're really only useful for handguns, not rifles. True?

This test is done routinely by a number of labs.  The value depends on the
circumstances and the results.  It is probably more useful for handguns
than rifles.

>Also, what about gun residue left on an object near the muzzle...
>like a window the gun was pointed out of?  Can that be tested for...
>and what would it tell you besides it's positive for gun residue?

That can be done too,


Peter D. Barnett
Forensic Science Associates
Richmond CA
510-222-8883 FAX: 510-222-8887 pbarnett@...

http://www.fsalab.com

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I have a question.  I'm researching my options for when I'm able to return to
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quickly!).

I'm looking into University of Alabama -- Birmingham.  They have a Chemistry
degree with a Biochemistry emphasis.  I'm wondering if this would be a good
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What I'm thinking I'd like to do, career-wise, is to work in a lab.  I'm most
interested in either trace evidence or biological evidence.

To see what the specifics of this course of study are, here's the BioChem url:
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Does it look like it would prepare me for my goals?

Another semi-related question... I'm considering taking a criminalistics class
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before I'm ready/able to really hit the books (i.e. be a full-time student
again).  I am thinking that this will help me see more what the field is about &
also maybe even help me decide exactly what it is that I want to do.  What do
you all think?

Thank you in advance for your help!
Stacie


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Human Remains Found in 1978 Still Unidentified

Photos of reconstruction in folder named "Forrest."
----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------

In November, 1978 the skeletal remains of a white male was found in
some planted pines on Interstate 10, near the rest area, just inside
Columbia County. Due to the remains being fully skeletonized at the
time of recovery, he could have possibly been deceased for a year, or
more, before its discovery. The body has remained unidentified since
that time. Forensic anthropologists had examined the remains in
1978, and again in 1996, in an attempt to obtain a possible physical
description. The examinations determined that the subject was a
white male, between the ages of 35 and 49 years of age. He stood
about five feet nine inches tall. There were numerous dental
restorations to his teeth. There was evidence that he had a healed
fracture to his left foot, arthritis in his spine and pelvis, and
possibly walked with a limp, with his left foot turned out. His nose
had previously been broken and may have been bent to the left some.
There was no clothing recovered with the remains.

A drawing was completed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation that
showed what the subject might have looked like in life. A facial
reconstruction, using clay to rebuild the facial features, was also
completed by Anne Coy, a forensic artist with the Seminole County
Sheriff's Office.

If you have any information that could lead to an identification of
these skeletal remains, please contact the Investigations Division of
the Columbia County Sheriff's Office at (386)752-7015, or by email.

Robert,

Could you tell me where this is? Also, do you have the e-mail address
for the Sheriff's Office?

Thanks

Alexis Campbell
Area Director
Delaware, Minnesota and New Mexico
The Doe Network ~ www.doenetwork.org
www.doenetwork.bravepages.com
Email: angel1331acc@...



--- In forensic-science@y..., "Robert Johnson" <ccsosro@y...> wrote:
Human Remains Found in 1978 Still Unidentified

Photos of reconstruction in folder named "Forrest."
----------------------------------------------------------------------

In November, 1978 the skeletal remains of a white male was found in
some planted pines on Interstate 10, near the rest area, just inside
Columbia County. Due to the remains being fully skeletonized at the
time of recovery, he could have possibly been deceased for a year, or
more, before its discovery. The body has remained unidentified since
that time. Forensic anthropologists had examined the remains in
1978, and again in 1996, in an attempt to obtain a possible physical
description. The examinations determined that the subject was a
white male, between the ages of 35 and 49 years of age. He stood
about five feet nine inches tall. There were numerous dental
restorations to his teeth. There was evidence that he had a healed
fracture to his left foot, arthritis in his spine and pelvis, and
possibly walked with a limp, with his left foot turned out. His nose
had previously been broken and may have been bent to the left some.
There was no clothing recovered with the remains.

A drawing was completed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation that
showed what the subject might have looked like in life. A facial
reconstruction, using clay to rebuild the facial features, was also
completed by Anne Coy, a forensic artist with the Seminole County
Sheriff's Office.

If you have any information that could lead to an identification of
these skeletal remains, please contact the Investigations Division of
the Columbia County Sheriff's Office at (386)752-7015, or by email.

Hello everyone, just a quick note to say hello.  :-)

My name is Michele and I'm interested in attending college next semester, but
I'm not sure what choices of career wise, are offered pertaining to criminal
justice and forensic psychology?  What type of jobs could I pursue,
considering this major?  Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

Michele

> Photos of reconstruction in folder named "Forrest."
Located at:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/forensic-science

Click on the Forrest folder to see photos of the clay model and artists
sketch.

Daryl

We are located in North Central Florida at the intersection of
Interstate 75 and Interstate 10.  You may contact us through my
email, ccsosro@... , or the agency email,
sheriff_columbiacountyfla@... .
I already have him listed on the Doe Network as case number 21UMFL.
Thanks.
Robert Johnson

--- In forensic-science@y..., "alexis" <angel1331acc@m...> wrote:
> Robert,
>
> Could you tell me where this is? Also, do you have the e-mail
address
> for the Sheriff's Office?
>
> Thanks
>
> Alexis Campbell
> Area Director
> Delaware, Minnesota and New Mexico
> The Doe Network ~ www.doenetwork.org
> www.doenetwork.bravepages.com
> Email: angel1331acc@m...
>
>
>
> --- In forensic-science@y..., "Robert Johnson" <ccsosro@y...> wrote:
> Human Remains Found in 1978 Still Unidentified
>
> Photos of reconstruction in folder named "Forrest."
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>
> In November, 1978 the skeletal remains of a white male was found in
> some planted pines on Interstate 10, near the rest area, just
inside
> Columbia County. Due to the remains being fully skeletonized at the
> time of recovery, he could have possibly been deceased for a year,
or
> more, before its discovery. The body has remained unidentified
since
> that time. Forensic anthropologists had examined the remains in
> 1978, and again in 1996, in an attempt to obtain a possible
physical
> description. The examinations determined that the subject was a
> white male, between the ages of 35 and 49 years of age. He stood
> about five feet nine inches tall. There were numerous dental
> restorations to his teeth. There was evidence that he had a healed
> fracture to his left foot, arthritis in his spine and pelvis, and
> possibly walked with a limp, with his left foot turned out. His
nose
> had previously been broken and may have been bent to the left some.
> There was no clothing recovered with the remains.
>
> A drawing was completed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation that
> showed what the subject might have looked like in life. A facial
> reconstruction, using clay to rebuild the facial features, was also
> completed by Anne Coy, a forensic artist with the Seminole County
> Sheriff's Office.
>
> If you have any information that could lead to an identification of
> these skeletal remains, please contact the Investigations Division
of
> the Columbia County Sheriff's Office at (386)752-7015, or by email.

Great! Thank you very much for your time!

Have a great day!

Alexis Campbell
Area Director
Delaware, Minnesota and New Mexico
The Doe Network ~ www.doenetwork.org
www.doenetwork.bravepages.com
Email: angel1331acc@...

-------Original Message-------

From: forensic-science@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 12:13:31
To: forensic-science@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [forensic-science] Re: Human Remains Found in 1978 Still
Unidentified

We are located in North Central Florida at the intersection of
Interstate 75 and Interstate 10.  You may contact us through my
email, ccsosro@... , or the agency email,
sheriff_columbiacountyfla@... .
I already have him listed on the Doe Network as case number 21UMFL.
Thanks.
Robert Johnson

--- In forensic-science@y..., "alexis" <angel1331acc@m...> wrote:
> Robert,
>
> Could you tell me where this is? Also, do you have the e-mail
address
> for the Sheriff's Office?
>
> Thanks
>
> Alexis Campbell
> Area Director
> Delaware, Minnesota and New Mexico
> The Doe Network ~ www.doenetwork.org
> www.doenetwork.bravepages.com
> Email: angel1331acc@m...
>
>
>
> --- In forensic-science@y..., "Robert Johnson" <ccsosro@y...> wrote:
> Human Remains Found in 1978 Still Unidentified
>
> Photos of reconstruction in folder named "Forrest."
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>
> In November, 1978 the skeletal remains of a white male was found in
> some planted pines on Interstate 10, near the rest area, just
inside
> Columbia County. Due to the remains being fully skeletonized at the
> time of recovery, he could have possibly been deceased for a year,
or
> more, before its discovery. The body has remained unidentified
since
> that time. Forensic anthropologists had examined the remains in
> 1978, and again in 1996, in an attempt to obtain a possible
physical
> description. The examinations determined that the subject was a
> white male, between the ages of 35 and 49 years of age. He stood
> about five feet nine inches tall. There were numerous dental
> restorations to his teeth. There was evidence that he had a healed
> fracture to his left foot, arthritis in his spine and pelvis, and
> possibly walked with a limp, with his left foot turned out. His
nose
> had previously been broken and may have been bent to the left some.
> There was no clothing recovered with the remains.
>
> A drawing was completed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation that
> showed what the subject might have looked like in life. A facial
> reconstruction, using clay to rebuild the facial features, was also
> completed by Anne Coy, a forensic artist with the Seminole County
> Sheriff's Office.
>
> If you have any information that could lead to an identification of
> these skeletal remains, please contact the Investigations Division
of
> the Columbia County Sheriff's Office at (386)752-7015, or by email.

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Thank you everyone!

Wow! What a group! Chock-full-of information, at the drop of a hat.

I love it.

Take care all....................
;)

Alexis Campbell
Area Director
Delaware, Minnesota and New Mexico
The Doe Network ~ www.doenetwork.org
www.doenetwork.bravepages.com
Email: angel1331acc@...

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-------Original Message-------

From: forensic-science@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 00:58:23
To: forensic-science@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [forensic-science] Human Remains Found in 1978 Still
Unidentified

> Photos of reconstruction in folder named "Forrest."
Located at:
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/forensic-science

Click on the Forrest folder to see photos of the clay model and artists
sketch.

Daryl

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Here is a link to a page on my web site where I have made a gallery
of photos from a facial reconstruction I had performed on a skull
from an unidentified body I am working.
http://rj472.com/instructional/forrest.htm

I am a college student majoring in legal studies and sociology. I am
really interested in pursuing a career in forensic science. I am
planning to go to grad. school later on, but i was hoping to find
and internship  to put onto my resume since i have nothing quite
useful. I was wondering if someone could let me know of a good place
where i can get info. about internships where they don't require a
bio or chem. degree

thanks

A six (6) year old girl was brought by her mother to a Community Hospital
Emergency Room after awaking up that morning with a high fever, numerous
episodes of vomiting, and three red pustular topped bites on her back.  She
also had blood in her urine, appeared jaundiced, and was generally ill.

  The E.R. doctor telephoned a hospital staff pediatrician who, by phone,
diagnosed her with a systematic reaction to a brown recluse spider bite.  (A
systematic reaction means that you have a potentially severely ill child,
including multiple organ failure, who could possibly die.) The E.R. doctor
discussed transferring the girl to a tertiary care center (a hospital with
numerous pediatric specialties).  The clinical and lab results showed that
she had hemolysis, a type of blood and kidney problem related to the spider
toxin.

At this point, the pediatrician told the E.R. Doctor to admit the child under
her care. Despite the directive, the admitting pediatrician admits that
neither she nor any other doctor saw the child at any time during the next
four (4) hours.  The doctor then performed a thirty-five (35) minute exam and
again discussed transfer to a tertiary care center in the event the child got
worse.

  Approximately one (1) hour after the pediatrician left to go home for the
night, the little girl arrested and later died.  She is survived by her
mother, father, and three (3) sisters.

Defense:

1.A six (6) year old girl presents to a small Community Hospital with a high
fever, vomiting, and three small bites on her back.

2. She was promptly cared for by the E.R. doctor.  The E.R. doctor contacted
a local pediatrician who agreed to admit her.  The pediatrician admitted the
child while she was working at her own practice.  Numerous blood cultures
were performed and a cardio monitor, IV fluids, antibiotics, local wound
care, and acetaminophen suppositories were ordered.  The labs were followed
up within four (4) hours.

3.  After seeing her own patients all day, the pediatrician came to see the
patient.  She did a thorough history and physical and the patient was stable.
  The pediatrician did not believe that she was sick enough to transfer to a
tertiary care center.  The patient was watching a Rugrats movie when she
unexpectedly gasped for air and her eyes rolled back.  A code blue was called
and the child passed away one (1) hour later.



4. Defendant's experts will testify that she would have been treated the same
had she been transferred to a tertiary care center.  In fact, the doctor who
would have possibly treated the girl will testify that she would not have
been treated differently.  It is very rare that a patient dies from a brown
recluse spider bite.  The death was totally unforeseeable.

5.  There is no antidote for a brown recluse spider bite; simply, close
monitoring and supportive care.  If she got worse it would have been
appropriate to transfer her.  The actual cause of her death remains unknown.
She would very likely have died even if she was transferred to the tertiary
care center.

6. According to the Defendants' experts, the pediatrician was not below the
standard of care.

Plaintiff's arguments:

The girl had a known rare systematic reaction to the brown recluse spider
bite.  Without proper intervention, she was going to die.  The doctors knew
that she was potentially very ill.  Defendants admit that close monitoring is
critical to continually evaluate her condition and her treatment.  Yet, once
admitted to the hospital, neither the pediatrician, nor any other physicians
saw her for over four (4) hours.  The pediatrician was the Chief of Staff who
twice failed her board exams and was not board certified.  No doctor
monitored her clinically.

Plaintiffs' experts (a pediatric infectious disease doctor at a tertiary care
center) will testify that with a diagnosis of a systemic reaction (high
fever, blood in urine, etc.), if left untreated, a patient will eventually
die.  The Community Hospital was not equipped in any way to treat and react
to this child's condition.  They failed to properly monitor her to
appropriately respond to her potential organ failure.  (Her eventual death
was completely foreseeable and preventable.)  The hospital had no policy or
procedure to determine when to transfer the patient. The pediatrician and
Defendants' expert went to the same school.  The hospital where Defendants'
expert works relies upon the same Community Hospitals for its referrals
within the state.  Defendants' expert will state that the pediatrician and
the hospital was negligent in its care.  If she was transferred she would be
alive today.


What do you think?
Anybody at fault?
If so..
How much is this case worth?
Thanks,
Amy

At 11:04 AM 11/12/02 -0500, Jurydoctor@... wrote:

>How much is this case worth?
>Thanks,
>Amy

I don't think a great deal because there is no shortage of kids.

Pete Barnett

At 05:06 AM 11/12/02 +0000, love_angels20 wrote:
>I am a college student majoring in legal studies and sociology. I am
>really interested in pursuing a career in forensic science. I am
>planning to go to grad. school later on, but i was hoping to find
>and internship  to put onto my resume since i have nothing quite
>useful. I was wondering if someone could let me know of a good place
>where i can get info. about internships where they don't require a
>bio or chem. degree
>thanks

I am not too sure that an anonymous message requesting information about a
professional internship from someone identified as "love_angels" should be
taken very seriously.  I am somewhat surprised that my spam filter did not
catch this message.  If this request is to be taken even the least bit
seriously, why would anyone be interested in an intern with "nothing quite
useful" for a resume.

Pete Barnett


Peter D. Barnett
Forensic Science Associates
Richmond CA
510-222-8883 FAX: 510-222-8887 pbarnett@...

http://www.fsalab.com

Peter,

As usual, right on par:)

Peggy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter D. Barnett" <pbarnett@...>
To: <forensic-science@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [forensic-science] forensic science internships


> At 05:06 AM 11/12/02 +0000, love_angels20 wrote:
> >I am a college student majoring in legal studies and sociology. I am
> >really interested in pursuing a career in forensic science. I am
> >planning to go to grad. school later on, but i was hoping to find
> >and internship  to put onto my resume since i have nothing quite
> >useful. I was wondering if someone could let me know of a good place
> >where i can get info. about internships where they don't require a
> >bio or chem. degree
> >thanks
>
> I am not too sure that an anonymous message requesting information about a
> professional internship from someone identified as "love_angels" should be
> taken very seriously.  I am somewhat surprised that my spam filter did not
> catch this message.  If this request is to be taken even the least bit
> seriously, why would anyone be interested in an intern with "nothing quite
> useful" for a resume.
>
> Pete Barnett
>
>
> Peter D. Barnett
> Forensic Science Associates
> Richmond CA
> 510-222-8883 FAX: 510-222-8887 pbarnett@...
>
> http://www.fsalab.com
>
>
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My, you are certainly in a mood.
Duayne

At 07:29 PM 11/12/02 -0500, you wrote:
>My, you are certainly in a mood.

Well, once in a while you just have to strike out against rampant idiocy.


Peter D. Barnett
Forensic Science Associates
Richmond CA
510-222-8883 FAX: 510-222-8887 pbarnett@...

http://www.fsalab.com

recluse spider is the other spider that strikes fear into the hearts Although
brown-recluses are non-aggressive?  This usually happens when unused clothes
are put on. Person may not know they have been bitten until 2 to 8 hours
after the fact. Can you prove gross negligence?

Do you have a Smoking gun? on this case

What state is this in?

Steve



THIS FORUM IS STRICTLY FOR ACADEMIC DISCUSSIONS AND NOTHING HEREIN SHALL
CONSTITUTE LEGAL ADVICE





















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In a message dated 11/12/2002 8:11:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pbarnett@... writes:


> At 07:29 PM 11/12/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >My, you are certainly in a mood.
>
> Well, once in a while you just have to strike out against rampant idiocy.
>
>

and some times it is best to ignore it...
Amy Singer, Ph.D.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

In a message dated 11/12/2002 9:41:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ForensicsIGY@... writes:


> recluse spider is the other spider that strikes fear into the hearts
> Although
> brown-recluses are non-aggressive?  This usually happens when unused
> clothes
> are put on. Person may not know they have been bitten until 2 to 8 hours
> after the fact. Can you prove gross negligence?
>
> Do you have a Smoking gun? on this case
>
> What state is this in?
>
> Steve
>

Nope, no smoking gun.. case is in Indianna. Plaintiffs are not going for
gross negligence.  I have posted this case to a few med mal nurses and MD's
who specialize in hematology and infectious diseases. there responses are
extremely interesting- I will be more than happy to forward them to you
privately  (with their permission ofcourse)
thanks,
Amy
Amy Singer, Ph.D.
President
Trial Consultants, Inc.


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Oh, I'm not sure about that.  To paraphrase, "All that is necessary for the
triumph of idiocy is that the bright do nothing."
Dave Hause, dwhause@...
Ft. Leonard Wood, MO
----- Original Message -----
From: <Jurydoctor@...>
In a message dated 11/12/2002 8:11:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pbarnett@... writes:

> At 07:29 PM 11/12/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >My, you are certainly in a mood.
>
> Well, once in a while you just have to strike out against rampant idiocy.
>
>

and some times it is best to ignore it...
Amy Singer, Ph.D.

In a message dated 11/12/2002 10:28:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dwhause@... writes:


> Oh, I'm not sure about that.  To paraphrase, "All that is necessary for the
> triumph of idiocy is that the bright do nothing."
> Dave Hause, dwhause@...
> Ft. Leonard Wood, MO
>

(LOL)- guess it depends on the idiot. Some love the attention- it fuels their
fire.
We will see how this one continues to burn bridges...

Amy Singer, Ph.D.
President
Trial Consultants, Inc.


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Hello Everyone;

I would like to pose a question to the group; How are jury members selected
and why are certain people selected more often than others?






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Is anyone willing to train a student on-line  . .free?? Well,
pertaining to foresnsics. I really want to go into that field when I
graduate. I would like some extra help and possibly some pointers. If
you can help me in any way, please please please e-mail me!

I have a friend who is a chemist and a chemistry prof.  He said that he
always gets weeded out.  He thinks it's because of his education &
profession.

I took my sons (we're home educators) on a field trip to the county court
house.  We watched the voir dire (spelling?) process.  Each lawyer asked a
bunch of questions.  They asked questions which would have eliminated folks
who know someone involved in the case (any of the lawyers or lawyers'
partners, etc.).  They asked about anyone who had a negative experience with
law enforcement & held a grudge about it.  It was a drug trafficking case,
so they asked questions about personal history with drug addiction, if they
were close to someone who is/was a drug addict.

The case was actually postponed right after voir dire because the forensic
scientist who had tested the drugs (8.2 pounds of marijuana, and, I think,
80 grams of cocaine) went into labor & couldn't testify in court.

Interesting stuff!  I think we're going to go watch some more court
procedings during our winter break!

I hope this gives you some information you didn't already have.  I imagine
that it would vary greatly from case to case, who the attorneys would want
to eliminate, but each one wants to eliminate the folks with negative bias
toward their case.

Stacie

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>
> I would like to pose a question to the group; How are jury members
selected
> and why are certain people selected more often than others?
>