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I'm quoted with regard to the Brian West case in Salon.com   Message List  
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Re: [fors-discuss] I'm quoted with regard to the Brian West case in Salon.com

At 05:26 -0700 2001.08.29, merlyn@... wrote:
>We need to move. We need to provide safe harbor for whistleblowers!

None of these cases are about the simple process of whistleblowing.

Sklyarov violated federal law by reverse-engineering software. If you
focus on the fact that he is a "whistleblower," then you just emphasize
that he did exactly what the DMCA is designed to prevent: discovering and
reporting of software flaws.

West didn't merely blow a whistle; he downloaded files that he had no right
to download, and he did so knowingly. His intentions may have been pure (I
have no reason to doubt them); but he should have gone to one of your JACPH
talks. Breaking the law (theft) is not a good way to tell people their
system is insecure. He should have known better.

What needs to happen with West is twofold: we need to educate people on the
Right and Wrong ways to notify people of security holes (OK, maybe there is
no Right way, but the way he did it was certainly Wrong); and we need to
treat people who screw up as he did with leniency (since it is clear from
his actions he had no intention of doing anything wrong; if he had such
intentions, he never would have notified them).

So anyway, people are not being prosecuted for whistleblowing, they are
being prosecuted for clear violations of the law. Sklyarov broke a bad
law, one we should fight to overturn. West dumbly broke a reasonable law,
and should be shown a great deal of leniency.

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Chris Nandor pudge@... http://pudge.net/
Open Source Development Network pudge@... http://osdn.com/



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See <http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/08/29/west/>, "How do you fix a leaky net?". This stuff scares me. And this is a federal case of felony-charging a...
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Aug 29, 2001
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... None of these cases are about the simple process of whistleblowing. Sklyarov violated federal law by reverse-engineering software. If you focus on the...
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Aug 29, 2001
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... Good points Chris. What about some kind of 'Code of Conduct' that suggests reasonable behaviour in light of security flaws? This could help illumnitate the...
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Aug 29, 2001
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... That's what we have judges and juries. Theoretically. In reality, as we all know, the system doesn't always work the way it was supposed to work. And then...
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Aug 29, 2001
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At 01:24 -0700 2001.08.30, Dmitry Kohmanyuk ... He was in the United States. It is a bad law, but that doesn't change the fact that he was in the U.S. If I...
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... How could he have broken a U.S. law while he was in Russia? If nosepicking is illegal in Denmark, does that mean I could be arrested if I ever go...
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... If I steal Russian government secrets while I am in the United States, does that mean they have no grounds to arrest me if I ever go there? His actions, in...
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... You're right, that this is what we should do. But there is still an important legal principle. The principle is _not_ that Sklyarov wasn't in the US when...
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Aug 30, 2001
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... Right. But, again, the law in question is a law regarding harm done to someone (for example) in Idaho. If you harm someone in Idaho, then Idaho may have...
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Aug 30, 2001
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... I disagree. Double jeopardy is a concept that is separate and distinct from the notion of jurisdiction. For instance, an actor may be prosecuted for acts...
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