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I'm quoted with regard to the Brian West case in Salon.com   Message List  
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Re: [fors-discuss] I'm quoted with regard to the Brian West case in Salon.com

"Chris Nandor" <yahoo@...> writes:

> At 05:26 -0700 2001.08.29, merlyn@... wrote:
> >We need to move. We need to provide safe harbor for whistleblowers!
>
> None of these cases are about the simple process of whistleblowing.
>
> So anyway, people are not being prosecuted for whistleblowing, they are
> being prosecuted for clear violations of the law. Sklyarov broke a bad
> law, one we should fight to overturn. West dumbly broke a reasonable law,
> and should be shown a great deal of leniency.

Good points Chris.

What about some kind of 'Code of Conduct' that suggests reasonable
behaviour in light of security flaws? This could help illumnitate the
gray area between suspicious but cracker-like behavior and suspicious
but samaritan-like behavior.

Attending Randall's JACPH's would be best, education is always best,
but in some sense people will always be dumb and allow their
curiousity to have them do things. We need a way to help the legal
system show leniency when people were dumb versus being intentionally
malicious.

jas.



Wed Aug 29, 2001 2:32 pm

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See <http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/08/29/west/>, "How do you fix a leaky net?". This stuff scares me. And this is a federal case of felony-charging a...
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... None of these cases are about the simple process of whistleblowing. Sklyarov violated federal law by reverse-engineering software. If you focus on the...
Chris Nandor
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Aug 29, 2001
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... Good points Chris. What about some kind of 'Code of Conduct' that suggests reasonable behaviour in light of security flaws? This could help illumnitate the...
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Aug 29, 2001
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... That's what we have judges and juries. Theoretically. In reality, as we all know, the system doesn't always work the way it was supposed to work. And then...
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Aug 29, 2001
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At 01:24 -0700 2001.08.30, Dmitry Kohmanyuk ... He was in the United States. It is a bad law, but that doesn't change the fact that he was in the U.S. If I...
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Aug 30, 2001
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... How could he have broken a U.S. law while he was in Russia? If nosepicking is illegal in Denmark, does that mean I could be arrested if I ever go...
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Aug 30, 2001
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... If I steal Russian government secrets while I am in the United States, does that mean they have no grounds to arrest me if I ever go there? His actions, in...
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Aug 30, 2001
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... You're right, that this is what we should do. But there is still an important legal principle. The principle is _not_ that Sklyarov wasn't in the US when...
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Aug 30, 2001
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... Right. But, again, the law in question is a law regarding harm done to someone (for example) in Idaho. If you harm someone in Idaho, then Idaho may have...
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Aug 30, 2001
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... I disagree. Double jeopardy is a concept that is separate and distinct from the notion of jurisdiction. For instance, an actor may be prosecuted for acts...
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