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Global law considered harmful

On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, Chris Nandor wrote:

> Focus on the law itself being bad, not the fact that someone who broke
> it wasn't in the country when he broke it

You're right, that this is what we should do. But there is still an
important legal principle.

The principle is _not_ that Sklyarov wasn't in the US when he broke US
law. That's a red herring. The real principle is that each country (or,
often, a state, province, county, or city) has to do its own laws and
prosecutions. Each jurisdiction has that responsibility, and right; no one
else can do their prosecutions for them.

If you are successfully prosecuted for marijuana possession in Ohio, you
repay your debt to society and you're done. You don't have to worry that,
upon a subsequent visit to Utah, you will be prosecuted again for your
actions in Ohio.

Now, I know, you're thinking that that would be double jeopardy, which is
unconstitutional. True. But double jeopardy is just a special case of this
general "one-jurisdiction" rule. To see that more clearly...

Suppose you use medicinal marijuana in Oregon (where it is legal), then
you walk across the border to Idaho (where it is not legal). You don't
bring any marijuana with you, and you don't use it in Idaho. Again, Idaho
can't prosecute you for a "crime" (by their standards) committed outside
their jurisdiction. Even if you keep going into Canada, the Canadians
can't prosecute you for the "crime" you committed in Oregon.

Unless, of course, they choose to disregard this principle. As we're
discussing, some jurisdictions have been known to do that, but it's dirty
pool.

--
Tom Phoenix Perl Training and Hacking Esperanto
Randal Schwartz Case: http://www.rahul.net/jeffrey/ovs/




Thu Aug 30, 2001 5:57 pm

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See <http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/08/29/west/>, "How do you fix a leaky net?". This stuff scares me. And this is a federal case of felony-charging a...
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Aug 29, 2001
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... None of these cases are about the simple process of whistleblowing. Sklyarov violated federal law by reverse-engineering software. If you focus on the...
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Aug 29, 2001
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... Good points Chris. What about some kind of 'Code of Conduct' that suggests reasonable behaviour in light of security flaws? This could help illumnitate the...
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Aug 29, 2001
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... That's what we have judges and juries. Theoretically. In reality, as we all know, the system doesn't always work the way it was supposed to work. And then...
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At 01:24 -0700 2001.08.30, Dmitry Kohmanyuk ... He was in the United States. It is a bad law, but that doesn't change the fact that he was in the U.S. If I...
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Aug 30, 2001
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... How could he have broken a U.S. law while he was in Russia? If nosepicking is illegal in Denmark, does that mean I could be arrested if I ever go...
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... If I steal Russian government secrets while I am in the United States, does that mean they have no grounds to arrest me if I ever go there? His actions, in...
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Aug 30, 2001
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... You're right, that this is what we should do. But there is still an important legal principle. The principle is _not_ that Sklyarov wasn't in the US when...
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Aug 30, 2001
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... Right. But, again, the law in question is a law regarding harm done to someone (for example) in Idaho. If you harm someone in Idaho, then Idaho may have...
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Aug 30, 2001
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... I disagree. Double jeopardy is a concept that is separate and distinct from the notion of jurisdiction. For instance, an actor may be prosecuted for acts...
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