At 01:24 -0700 2001.08.30, Dmitry Kohmanyuk ... He was in the United States. It is a bad law, but that doesn't change the fact that he was in the U.S. If I...
Chris Nandor
yahoo@...
Aug 30, 2001 5:18 pm
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... OK ... OK ... Oops. Not OK. It's not legal, and even if they have the best intentions, it's not safe. Suppose someone sees them enter and calls the cops?...
Dave Sill
de5-fors-discuss@...
Aug 30, 2001 5:22 pm
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... How could he have broken a U.S. law while he was in Russia? If nosepicking is illegal in Denmark, does that mean I could be arrested if I ever go...
Dave Sill
de5-fors-discuss@...
Aug 30, 2001 5:28 pm
117
... If I steal Russian government secrets while I am in the United States, does that mean they have no grounds to arrest me if I ever go there? His actions, in...
Chris Nandor
yahoo@...
Aug 30, 2001 5:44 pm
118
... You're right, that this is what we should do. But there is still an important legal principle. The principle is _not_ that Sklyarov wasn't in the US when...
Tom Phoenix
rootbeer+fors-d@...
Aug 30, 2001 6:07 pm
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... Right. But, again, the law in question is a law regarding harm done to someone (for example) in Idaho. If you harm someone in Idaho, then Idaho may have...
Chris Nandor
yahoo@...
Aug 30, 2001 6:14 pm
120
... Tom> I agree. But it won't be easy to accomplish, since I'm sure that most Tom> legislators (judges, juries, reporters, columnists, employers) think that ...
Frossie
frossie@...
Aug 30, 2001 7:11 pm
121
... Agreed. As Randall argued in his trial, our computers (as agents of our bidding) access and modify the content of computers owned by other organizations...
jasons@...
Aug 30, 2001 7:59 pm
122
... In that case, the bank's story IS: You only get access to the toilet, and if you'd be able to get out of that toilet, you wouldn't get access to anything...
R.E.Wolff@...
Aug 30, 2001 10:49 pm
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] On Thu, 30 Aug 2001, David Keegel wrote: ] ] > getting legislators to focus more on intent (eg: requiring clear ] > mal-intent for computer crime offenses)...
David Keegel
djk@...
Aug 31, 2001 1:51 am
124
... Correct, but what was of equal significance, we felt, was the apparent truth that the application of statutes which are grounded in ancient real property ...
larryo@...
Sep 3, 2001 9:05 pm
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... I disagree. Double jeopardy is a concept that is separate and distinct from the notion of jurisdiction. For instance, an actor may be prosecuted for acts...
larryo@...
Sep 3, 2001 9:05 pm
126
(I'm not a lawyer.) ] Sysadmins do things every day that, if their employer decides at a later ] time any one of which was "unauthorized," subject them to...
David Keegel
djk@...
Sep 4, 2001 12:20 am
127
... David> In that case, if you could show that you didn't realise at the time David> that the act was "without authorization" (because you had implicit David>...
merlyn@...
Sep 4, 2001 12:36 am
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... One of the "problems" with your trial is that you should've said "NO" to the question: "Was this for personal gain?" . The way you answered that question...
R.E.Wolff@...
Sep 4, 2001 5:35 pm
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... R> One of the "problems" with your trial is that you should've said "NO" R> to the question: "Was this for personal gain?" . R> The way you answered that...
merlyn@...
Sep 4, 2001 6:03 pm
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... That you could, if it were not for ORS 161.115(1), which provides in part: (1) If a statute defining an offense prescribes a culpable mental state but does...
larryo@...
Sep 7, 2001 10:31 pm
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Friends, Randal told me the other day that a number of people had asked if they could help in any way, and I talked it over with Marc and here it is: We are...
larryo@...
Sep 8, 2001 1:31 am
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Friends, Randal told me the other day that a number of people had asked if they could help in any way, and I talked it over with Marc and here it is: We are...
larryo@...
Sep 26, 2001 4:39 pm
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See <http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/09/27/017236> and <http://www.kellybreed.com/westnews/index.htm>. It appears that Brian was not the innocent person...
merlyn@...
Sep 27, 2001 3:13 pm
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My legal team recently filed the petition to have the Oregon Supreme Court consider reviewing my case. I've made a PDF available for the moment at: ...
... It's installed @ Lightlink, on the court materials page with the appeal stuff. -- SP...
Steve Pacenka
spacenka@...
Nov 8, 2001 10:16 pm
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* merlyn@... ... I am not a lawyer, but the following caught my attention: Paragraph marked `Reasons for review' (Page 5 in my printout), number 3),...
Ralf Fassel
ralf@...
Nov 9, 2001 9:42 am
137
I just receieved a message from my lawyer that the Oregon Supreme Court has declined to hear my case, thus leaving the unfavorable Oregon Appeals Court...
... Randal, I think I speak for most people on this list when I say how sorry I am to hear this. It looks like a bad law is there to stay. Still, it could be...
Dave Mitchell
davem@...
Dec 28, 2001 1:29 pm
139
... etc. Randal I have been following your battle for nearly 8 years now. I admire your courage and determination and feel sorry taht it didn't bring you the ...
Hans Rood
hansr@...
Jan 11, 2002 10:42 am
140
[I posted this on comp.org.eff.talk and misc.legal.computing a moment ago, so my apologies if you see it twice.] [and darn it, it got swallowed by sending it...
] ] Put simply, the Oregon law makes any "unauthorized" "alteration" ] of a "computer" a class C felony, punishable by up to $100K in ] fines, plus...
David Keegel
djk@...
Apr 3, 2002 11:56 pm
147
Apparently, I haven't sent a message to these groups since 2001. Let me bring you up to date. In the fall of 2002, I made an application for clemency with the...
Back in October of 2006, I wrote: In the next few weeks, I'll be applying for clemency again, with a Democratic governor who has already granted a few pardons....
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