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FOSS.IN/2007: CfP Process Restart   Message List  
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Attention all:

This note is going to catch many people by surprise:

As we had explained, over and over: this is a FOSS developer and contributor
conference. We are no longer a FOSS *user* conference.

As was mentioned last year - in the end FOSS is about Free and Open Source
*Software*, and somebody needs to *write* that software.

FOSS.IN is about demolishing the contention that India is a land of FOSS
consumers, with almost no contributors - that we only take, not give back.

Our objective is to enable and jumpstart more FOSS contributors from India.

But most people just don't seem to have understood that, and have submitted
*user* oriented talks (even if they involve development).

We already have more talks than we can schedule in the main conference, but
many of the talks that we have received are not in line with the focus of the
conference.

For example:

"Using php to create attractive Web 2.0 sites"

"Web hacking tools for XSS, CSRF, etc."

"Building pthon applications using xyz tool"

"Poweruser Javascript"

etc.

You get the idea: these are all "using" talks, best summed up with "Using X to
do Y", where X is some technology (usually, but not always FOSS) and Y could be
anything (including a closed source product or service).

No one is denying that FOSS applications usage is important, BUT FOSS.IN IS
ABOUT DEVELOPING THEM, NOT USING THEM.

To fix this, we are restarting the Call for Participation process.

This is effective immediately, for a period of two weeks, ending Saturday,
October 20th.

This is a very difficult step for us to take, and if we don't get it right this
time, we are going to end up with serious egg on our faces. It is completely
unprecedented (we haven't heard of any conference ever doing this before), but
to ensure quality and focus at the conference, we have to do it.

And *this* time, we are going to be a little more interactive, to make sure
that we get the kind of talks we want:

First of all, as you are reading this, every talk that has been submitted has
been scrutinised, and either accepted (very few), rejected (more likely) or is
status quo, with a note saying how it needs to be fixed.

Starting from Tuesday, the 9th, any accepted talk will be listed online (we
will post the URL ASAP) complete with abstract, so that people

a. will know that their talk has been accepted

b. can start preparing slides and make travel plans (if needed)

c. can see what kind of talks we are accepting, so that they can orient their
submissions around them.

d. can see what talks are already in place, so they can avoid duplication.

This extension is a double edged sword:

+ More time to submit
This restart gives people more time to submit, and a chance to
understand what kind of talks FOSS.IN is accepting

- Less chance to submit
The longer you wait, the lower your chances will be, as we will close
submissions as soon as all the main conference talks slots have been
filled. Also, the last date for submission of slides WILL NOT CHANGE -
it is still October 22nd, and if you submit your talk on 20th evening,
you only have a day after we approve your talk. Chances are that you
won't make it.

Because of the minus side, you should not wait till the last moment to submit,
because you will almost certainly not be able to meet the slides deadline.

Also, if talks run full before the 20th, we might stop accepting talks for the
Main Conference. Remember, we have only 60 slots, not 200!

Please note that the fact that we have accepted your talk does not mean that
you actually get to speak at the event. You still have to send in your slides,
which we will scrutinise. Any talks found to be too shallow or just badly
thought out will be scrapped.

All this applies to the Project Days submissions as well, except that we will
not publish the Project Days submissions until the end, as the acceptance of
these talks will involve discussion with the Project Days session proposers.
Talks received for Project Days that we find acceptable will be forwarded to
the Project Days proposers, who will then tell us whether the talk will be
included in the Project Days session or not. You can discuss your
submissions with the PD proposers.

We have also noticed that many people by default submit talks to the Main
Conference, probably because they think it has more "prestige".

In reality what it has is a FAR higher chance of rejection.

Unless you are REALLY good, well known for your work, have an excellent speaker
track record and are an active contributor in the work you are talking about,
you probably have no chance of acceptance. And if your talk abstract is as
shallow as some of the ones we have seen, riddled with errors, then you are
definitely out.

Instead, focus on the Project Days, where the rules are marginally laxer, but
remember that the talk *has* to be about the some aspect of the project, and
that it shows people how to contribute to the project.

For example, don't try to submit a talk like "751 reasons why XYZ is the best
Distro". One or two short intro talks for the Project Days session are OK, but
after that it better be about getting involved, what to do, how to code, how to
write documentation, etc. if in doubt, discuss with the Project Days session
proposer on what is suitable and desired.

The new CfP process is in effect as we speak. We are already rejecting all
those talks we deem to be unsuitable. You will be able to see the status of
your talk by logging into your speaker account, the status of your talk will be
shown, along with a note from us, if applicable.

Rejected talks cannot be edited, please submit a new talk. You will see the
reason for the rejection in your talks management page
http://foss.in/2007/register/speakers/manageTalks.php

Accepted talks can also not be edited for now - you will be able to fine tune
them after the 22nd.

Talks with status "NEW" or "OPEN" are as yet undecided. If you have a note
there asking you to modify the talk, then do so, else just check back a little
while later. There are a lot of talks that we need to tag.

Many of you will see that your talks have been rejected. Don't go off in a
huff, brandishing a huge chip on your shoulder. Remember, we don't recognise
rockstars. You would be surprised to see some of the big names who have had
their talks rejected. It wasn't because the talks weren't good, but because
they weren't suitable for the conference.

Just like a talk on .NET programming wouldn't fit into a Windows Vista *USER*
conference, non-developer/contributor talks don't fit into FOSS.IN.

Accept that, and submit a new talk. You have 2 weeks to get it right. We will
try and respond to your talk ASAP, to give you as many chances as you need to
get it right.

Go for it.

Atul

--
F O S S . I N / 2 0 0 7
India's Premier FOSS Conference
December 4-8, 2007
Bangalore, India
http://foss.in



Sat Oct 6, 2007 5:58 pm

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Attention all: This note is going to catch many people by surprise: As we had explained, over and over: this is a FOSS developer and contributor conference. We...
Atul Chitnis
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Oct 6, 2007
6:00 pm

Hi Atul, ... Yep, it did :) ... Hmm. I seem to have submitted such a talk. So I have a question, what exactly is a developer oriented talk? I am trying to...
Dhaval Giani
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Oct 7, 2007
5:28 am

... On http://foss.in/2007/info/Call_for_Participation there is still the text: 08-Oct-2007 Due date for abstracts/proposals (No submissions after this date)...
Michael Kerrisk
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Oct 7, 2007
10:55 am

Hi My proposal had a comment which has asked me to "shorten the proposal and indicate whether the talk will show how people can contribute to the project". I...
Srivatsan Ravi
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Oct 8, 2007
3:10 am

... While some of us hang out on IRC (#foss.in on freenode), please understand that we all have day jobs, and that "assured 5 minute responses" are simply...
Atul Chitnis
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Oct 8, 2007
3:46 am

... focus of the ... "Using X to ... Y could be ... If these kind of talks are not the one's expected ,please give us examples of the kinda one's which are...
Krishna Sashank
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Oct 8, 2007
5:27 am

Hi, ... It might not be clear cut black & white situation. If someone proposes a tutorial on creating rpm or debian packages, how would one classify this? ...
S h i v
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Oct 8, 2007
5:47 am

... It definitely qualify for relevant Project Day! But, not for Main Conference. Hope you got the idea. -- Cheers, ... Kartik Mistry || GPG: 0xD1028C8D ||...
Kartik Mistry
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Oct 8, 2007
8:40 am

... Good catch, Kartik. :) Shiv: Understand what the Main Conference is: it is NOT an elementary handholding thing. It is meant for developers who want to get...
Atul Chitnis
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Oct 8, 2007
8:50 am

... So are the project days, isn't it? Regards, Debarshi -- GPG key ID: 63D4A5A7 Key server: pgp.mit.edu...
Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray
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Oct 8, 2007
9:22 am

... Yes, but the Project days are supposed to be more tutorial-like, with lots of people focussing on getting things done. In the Main Conference, each talk is...
Atul Chitnis
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Oct 8, 2007
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... That was more understandable. :-) Thanks, Debarshi -- GPG key ID: 63D4A5A7 Key server: pgp.mit.edu...
Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray
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Oct 8, 2007
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... Hi, When will the URL be made available? Thanks, Dhaval...
Dhaval Giani
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Oct 9, 2007
10:57 am

... We are working on this, but looks like it wont be out today. FYI - we got hit with something like 200+ talk submissions over Sunday and Monday. Looks like...
Atul Chitnis
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Oct 9, 2007
5:12 pm

... It would be kind of the organizers to leave a note for such talks - "Insufficient proof of contribution", or something like that; so the proposers know...
Anant Narayanan
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Oct 9, 2007
6:03 pm

... we are. Any talk we have scrutinized and where we need more info has a note attached to it from us. ... Of course we are - would be unfair otherwise :) ......
Atul Chitnis
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Oct 9, 2007
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What am I supposed to make out of "Pending Approval" under the Action field for a talk submitted for a project day? Regards, Debarshi -- GPG key ID: 63D4A5A7 ...
Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray
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Oct 10, 2007
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... Hash: SHA1 ... That it is Pending Approval ? Hasn't there been a post already about talks being worked through and submitters please keep on checking ? ......
Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay
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Oct 10, 2007
6:09 am

... Pending approval from whom? Remember it is a project day session, so is it that the Foss.in team are yet to have a look at this, or is it that they have...
Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray
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Oct 10, 2007
6:14 am

... Just to make things clear. Even if its an alpha release or 0.1 unstable release, will it be good enough to get a talk slot ? regards VK -- The hidden...
Vivek Khurana
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Oct 10, 2007
7:09 am

... Hello, Just make sure that 'Source' are available under OSI approved license(s). I am really wondering when people will understand FOSS terminology ;) -- ...
Kartik Mistry
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Oct 10, 2007
7:22 am

... hehe if there was any hope of people understanding all this, I would not have asked such idiotic question in first place. But as they say "You can never...
Vivek Khurana
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Oct 10, 2007
11:12 am

... Is this link up already? (I don't recall seeing a message about it, and I don't see an obvious link on the site.) Michael...
Michael Kerrisk
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Oct 11, 2007
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