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#669 From: "Tinus de Beer" <mufon-sa@...>
Date: Sun Oct 2, 2005 4:16 pm
Subject: Annual notification: PaleoNews
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Hi there

This message is for the benefit of new members to this list
(apologies for the cross posting):

Being part of this discussion group you might be interested in
receiving the PaleoNews e-mail newsletter.

This is a free newsletter that is send to you twice a week with the
latest (complete) articles on discoveries in the fields of
palaeontology and archaeology. From there it also looks at
evolution, related biology and geology as well as a bit of genetics,
a pinch of astronomy and a splash of physics.

For technical reasons you also need to be a member of the South
African Society for Amateur Palaeontologists, but the entry level
membership option (iCorrespondence) is also free.
All you need to do is complete the online application form. By
joining you incur no commitment of any sort.

Go to www.sasap.freeservers.com and click on "Subscribe to
PaleoNews".
Complete the online application form. Select iCorrespondence as
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#668 From: ronfossil2000
Date: Sat Mar 12, 2005 9:33 pm
Subject: My new fossil website!
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Ok yall.  I guess I got the ok to put on a link to my new fossil
website.  I am a very fair and very honest guy and will do my best
to make anyone happy who purchases anything on my website. I also
have some fossils that you will not find on ebay.  I got really
tired of ebay and all the "not so honest dealers" there.  My website
is not quite done, and I will be adding new stuff from time to
time.  I have some very inexpensive fossils too. Thank you very
much.  ron


http://fossilsandthings.com/store/product_info.php?
products_id=33&osCsid=90beb6a79cf16667c8e326f9d32ca518

#667 From: ronfossil2000
Date: Fri Mar 11, 2005 11:44 pm
Subject: New Fossil Web Site!!!
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Hello,  I have finaly built my fossil website after sevral years of
taling about it.  Im jsut wondering if its ok to post a link here
for a commercial fossil website?  Ron

#666 From: "Wendell Ricketts" <wendell@...>
Date: Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:30 pm
Subject: Semi-Annual Fossil Giveaway - Free to a Good Home!
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Dear List Members:

Every so often I purge my collection of dupes and imperfect
specimens by offering them to teachers who might be able to make use
of them in their classes. It's time to do that again, so I'm writing
to see whether there are any takers.

This time, I seem to have an abundance of molluscs - Eocene material
from Texas and Alabama, and a bunch of stuff from Italy. But there's
also the usual assortment of Paleozoic brachs and other material.

Just to be clear: These are not, for the most part, great
or "display" specimens, but they'd be great for lab sets, etc.

I ask two things: That you reimburse me for postage (preferably with
PayPal, if you can swing it) and that you promise not to try to re-
sell any of the specimens.

If you're interested, please DO NOT POST TO THE LIST. Write me
directly at wendell@....

In the meantime, all best for the coming New Year.

Wendell Ricketts

#665 From: "njcret" <dolfd@...>
Date: Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:34 pm
Subject: Northern California Fossil Sites
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I am going on a trip to Northern California.  Any Fossil Sites of
mention around the Ukiah area?

Thanks,

Dolf

#664 From: Dan Woehr <danwoehr@...>
Date: Mon Aug 23, 2004 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Fossil Sites] Texas Red Beds
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Senor Campbell,

Wish I could help you out, but I am most familiar with
the San Antonio area where I live which is mainly
Cretaceous with some Eocene thrown in.  Good luck!
--- livingplanet3 <livingplanet3@...> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Does anyone here have any information on good
> collecting sites in the
> Permian Red Beds in Texas?
>
> Thanks! -
>
> C. Campbell
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#663 From: "livingplanet3" <livingplanet3@...>
Date: Mon Aug 23, 2004 6:19 pm
Subject: Texas Red Beds
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Hi,

Does anyone here have any information on good collecting sites in the
Permian Red Beds in Texas?

Thanks! -

C. Campbell

#662 From: "Dolf De Rovira" <dolfd@...>
Date: Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:52 pm
Subject: RE: [Fossil Sites] Solnhofen material
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I would like to see the pics, thank you,

Dolf
   -----Original Message-----
   From: Michael Schmidt [mailto:dmschmidt@...]
   Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 1:30 PM
   To: fossilsites@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [Fossil Sites] Solnhofen material


   1.Propterus microstomus,10cm,matrix is 23X17cm,price:$2550

   2.Propterus elongatus,13cm,matrix  is 33x24cm,
   $3000

   3.Belonostomus muensteri,30cm,matrix is27x21cm, $2750

   4.still undescribed new species,29cm,matrix  is 42x25cm, $4500

   and, unless it has been sold....we have still for sale the Hybodus fraasi
on
   page 85 of the second Solnhofen (Frickinger) book.  it measures 50cm long,
   as is probably the best most complete specimen known.  Price is $60K

   let me know if any of these are of interest to you, and I can send pics to
   you

   thanks

   Michael
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: "Dolf De Rovira" <dolfd@...>
   To: <fossilsites@yahoogroups.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 10:58 AM
   Subject: RE: [Fossil Sites] Solnhofen material


   > I would be interested to see what you have.
   >
   > Dolf
   >   -----Original Message-----
   >   From: Michael Schmidt [mailto:dmschmidt@...]
   >   Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:34 PM
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   >   Subject: [Fossil Sites] Solnhofen material
   >
   >
   >   Hi
   >
   >   if anyone is interested in any VERY high end Solnhofen material,
please
   > contact me.  I have several museum quality examples of various species,
   > including an undescribed one.  As I said, these are higher end
specimens,
   so
   > if you are interested, please contact me.
   >
   >   thanks
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#661 From: Michael Schmidt <dmschmidt@...>
Date: Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:29 pm
Subject: Re: [Fossil Sites] Solnhofen material
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1.Propterus microstomus,10cm,matrix is 23X17cm,price:$2550

2.Propterus elongatus,13cm,matrix  is 33x24cm,
$3000

3.Belonostomus muensteri,30cm,matrix is27x21cm, $2750

4.still undescribed new species,29cm,matrix  is 42x25cm, $4500

and, unless it has been sold....we have still for sale the Hybodus fraasi on
page 85 of the second Solnhofen (Frickinger) book.  it measures 50cm long,
as is probably the best most complete specimen known.  Price is $60K

let me know if any of these are of interest to you, and I can send pics to
you

thanks

Michael
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Subject: RE: [Fossil Sites] Solnhofen material


> I would be interested to see what you have.
>
> Dolf
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Michael Schmidt [mailto:dmschmidt@...]
>   Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:34 PM
>   To: fossilsites@yahoogroups.com; Rocks & Fossils;
> fossilhunterstradingclub@yahoogroups.com
>   Cc: paleolist@...
>   Subject: [Fossil Sites] Solnhofen material
>
>
>   Hi
>
>   if anyone is interested in any VERY high end Solnhofen material, please
> contact me.  I have several museum quality examples of various species,
> including an undescribed one.  As I said, these are higher end specimens,
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#660 From: "Dolf De Rovira" <dolfd@...>
Date: Wed Aug 18, 2004 4:58 pm
Subject: RE: [Fossil Sites] Solnhofen material
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I would be interested to see what you have.

Dolf
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   Subject: [Fossil Sites] Solnhofen material


   Hi

   if anyone is interested in any VERY high end Solnhofen material, please
contact me.  I have several museum quality examples of various species,
including an undescribed one.  As I said, these are higher end specimens, so
if you are interested, please contact me.

   thanks

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#659 From: Michael Schmidt <dmschmidt@...>
Date: Wed Aug 18, 2004 2:33 am
Subject: Solnhofen material
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if anyone is interested in any VERY high end Solnhofen material, please contact
me.  I have several museum quality examples of various species, including an
undescribed one.  As I said, these are higher end specimens, so if you are
interested, please contact me.

thanks

Michael Schmidt

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#658 From: coprolith1 <coprolith1@...>
Date: Mon Jul 19, 2004 12:50 am
Subject: Re: [Fossil Sites] New file uploaded to fossilsites
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Hi,

Do a Google search under Crinoid - the fossil is a
mold of a Crinoid stem.

Mike



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#657 From: "preciousdeb_64" <preciousdeb@...>
Date: Mon Jul 19, 2004 12:17 am
Subject: fossil identity problem
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Hello,

I have several fossils that I need to have identified for my son's 4-
H project. We can not find anyone around here who is for certain
what type they are so we are searching the web for answers. Any help
from someone who knows, would be greatly appreciated. If it helps
identifying these, we live in North Eastern Missouri. Thanks for
your time.


Debbie M

#656 From: fossilsites@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon Jul 19, 2004 12:08 am
Subject: New file uploaded to fossilsites
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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the fossilsites
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You can access this file at the URL

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#655 From: "greatgazzoowizard" <greatgazzoo@...>
Date: Wed Apr 14, 2004 3:02 pm
Subject: Hello!
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Hi everyone.  This group doesn't appear to be very active.  Are
others still lurking?

#654 From: "Michael Schmidt" <dmschmidt@...>
Date: Tue Mar 2, 2004 3:20 am
Subject: cystoids
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Hi

I have a couple of very nice cystoids for sale.  They are Ordovician material
from Ontario, and have been prepped out from both sides!!

If you are interested in either or both of these, and would like to see the
photos, please email me and I will send them off to you.

thanks

Michael



Pleurocystites squamosus

Bobcaygeon Formation, Trenton Group, Middle Ordovician

Simcoe Co., Ontario

Pleuro.10

6 cm (2.8 cm theca, 2.5 cm arms, 0.9 cm stem)

Excellently preserved specimen, expertly airdent prepared out of the matrix.
Both sides of the cystoid have been prepped.

Over 4 hours of preparation time.

200.00 US







Pleurocystites squamosus

Bobcaygeon Formation, Trenton Group, Middle Ordovician

Simcoe Co., Ontario

Pleuro. 11

7.7 cm (3.7 cm theca, 2.2 cm longest arm, 2.2 cm stem)

Excellently preserved specimen, expertly airdent prepared out of the matrix.
Both sides of the cystoid have been prepped.

Over 4 hours of preparation time.

200.00 US



Both specimens for $350


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#653 From: "Nemo" <iamnemo@...>
Date: Mon Mar 1, 2004 3:47 pm
Subject: Invitation to join the Meiji Microscopes Users Group (MMUG)
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>Invitation to join the Meiji Microscopes Users Group (MMUG)<

I recently created a new discussion forum open to all current or
potential professional and amateur users of Meiji Techno
microscopes. You can join here:

MeijiUsersGroup at Yahoo!Groups:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MeijiUsersGroup

All models (binos, stereos, macros, polarizing, etc.) will be
covered here and discussions about all applications (mineralogy,
biology, metallurgy, engineering, medecine, etc.) are welcome.

For those not familiar with Meiji Techno microscopes: Meiji Techno
Co., Ltd. is the third-largest manufacturer of optical microscopes
in Japan. In 1964, Azuma Optics Co., Ltd. was founded as a contract
manufacturer of microscopes and quickly established a reputation for
high quality and fast delivery. In 1975, the company reformed into
Meiji Techno Co., Ltd. and began selling microscopes directly to the
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All are welcome! Please participate often and post responsibly.

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#652 From: "Wendell Ricketts" <wendell@...>
Date: Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:32 pm
Subject: RE: [Fossil Sites] looking for software
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As databases go, what you're talking about is really rather small. I think
I've only got 32 fields in mine. I use a lot of drop down menus precisely
for things like Linnean classification and geol period. Of the three I
mentioned, I think MS Access is the least user-friendly, but searching and
sorting are not at all difficult. I've not used it much to try to pull
reports (for printing, e.g.), which is a more arduous task in Access than in
the other two.

One advantage of MS Access is that I can view the collection in a table
view, which I can then cut-and-paste directly into Excel or Word for both
backups and ease of printing and manipulation (I print the whole thing about
2x/year in case I should have some major computer meltdown, plus I back it
up regularly on CD).

Paradox is a big program, but so is FileMaker. Doesn't mean you have to load
or use all the features. , I've currently got 2892 specimens catalogued, and
the data file takes a few seconds to load - but that will be true with Pdox
or FM, if you add a lot of records.

Both Pdox and FM are a bit pricey, which is why I started with Access, which
was bundled on my computer. Since then, I've purchased FileMaker and one of
those "To Do Someday" projects is to convert my collection dbase to
FileMaker. But even if I never do it, it's actually working just fine.

W.


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rik Hill [mailto:rhill@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 10:25 AM
> To: fossilsites@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Fossil Sites] looking for software
>
>
>
> My thought on using CGI was to make it more self contained on one or
> two CDROMs program, browser, catalog and all. Can this be done with
> FileMaker? As I understand it, Paradox is a petty hefty piece of
> software. What is searchability like in MS Access? I would like to be
> able to search on storage location, locality, Linnean class, common
> name and geologic time (Era, Period etc.).
>
> -Rik

#651 From: Rik Hill <rhill@...>
Date: Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:24 pm
Subject: Re: [Fossil Sites] looking for software
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My thought on using CGI was to make it more self contained on one or
two CDROMs program, browser, catalog and all. Can this be done with
FileMaker? As I understand it, Paradox is a petty hefty piece of
software. What is searchability like in MS Access? I would like to be
able to search on storage location, locality, Linnean class, common
name and geologic time (Era, Period etc.).

-Rik


On Tuesday 17 February 2004 10:56, Wendell Ricketts wrote:
> You can do all that in MS Access as well as in new versions of
> Paradox and, my favorite, FileMaker. I've got my collection in MS
> Access. It didn't take long to make a database that fit my needs
> (vs. using one that someone else had created), and you certainly
> don't need cgi. If you're planning to put it online, that's a
> different matter. For that I'd probably recommend FileMaker.
> W.
>
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> > Subject: [Fossil Sites] looking for software
> >
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> >
> > I am trying to bring my collection into the 21st century. I'm
> > looking for some curatorial software to catalog all my specimens.
> > Does anyone know of such software (especially freeware)? Ideally
> > I would like to have something that has provision for an image of
> > the fossils as well. If it's not out there I guess I could
> > knuckle down and write a CGI program to do the job in a browser
> > format but I hate reinventing the wheel.
> >
> > Richard "Rik" Hill
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> > Kuiper Space Sci. Bldg.
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#650 From: "Wendell Ricketts" <wendell@...>
Date: Tue Feb 17, 2004 5:56 pm
Subject: RE: [Fossil Sites] looking for software
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You can do all that in MS Access as well as in new versions of Paradox and,
my favorite, FileMaker. I've got my collection in MS Access. It didn't take
long to make a database that fit my needs (vs. using one that someone else
had created), and you certainly don't need cgi. If you're planning to put it
online, that's a different matter. For that I'd probably recommend
FileMaker.
W.




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> texasgeology@yahoogroups.com; paleo_uw@...;
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> Subject: [Fossil Sites] looking for software
>
>
>
> I am trying to bring my collection into the 21st century. I'm looking
> for some curatorial software to catalog all my specimens. Does anyone
> know of such software (especially freeware)? Ideally I would like to
> have something that has provision for an image of the fossils as well.
> If it's not out there I guess I could knuckle down and write a CGI
> program to do the job in a browser format but I hate reinventing the
> wheel.
>
> Richard "Rik" Hill
> LUNAR & PLANETARY  LAB.
> Kuiper Space Sci. Bldg.
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#649 From: Rik Hill <rhill@...>
Date: Tue Feb 17, 2004 5:44 pm
Subject: looking for software
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I am trying to bring my collection into the 21st century. I'm looking
for some curatorial software to catalog all my specimens. Does anyone
know of such software (especially freeware)? Ideally I would like to
have something that has provision for an image of the fossils as well.
If it's not out there I guess I could knuckle down and write a CGI
program to do the job in a browser format but I hate reinventing the
wheel.

Richard "Rik" Hill
LUNAR & PLANETARY  LAB.
Kuiper Space Sci. Bldg.
Univ. of Arizona
Tucson, Az 85721-0092
rhill@...
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#648 From: Rik Hill <rhill@...>
Date: Thu Jan 15, 2004 9:37 pm
Subject: Fwd: Loud and Clear March 2004
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From: "Robert Cranston" <rlcranston@...>


One of the major catastrophes of losing a computer through virus and
  worms is the loss of an address file.  When I got 15 virus' and 3
  worms in a 2 week time frame, I lost all of my address file, so I
  can no longer communicate with most of the people in the 7
  Federations.  I ask each of you to pass along this message from
  George Loud. It will appear in the AFMS newsletter but I understand
  the majority of the Club members never see that  bulletin either.
  This should be headline news in every Club bulletin as it affects
  your future in gelogical, mineralogical and paleontological
  collection.  If you don't care about those issues, then do
  nothingand those privileges will indeed disappear.  This would be a
  good time for a strong effort by ALAA to make a major contribution
  to defeat this legislation. Bob Cranston


  LOUD & CLEAR  March 2004

H.R. 2416 - Paleontological Resources Preservation Act

As I write this in mid-January, H.R. 2416 is "stalled" in several
  House committees, including  the Subcommittee on National Parks,
  Recreation and Public Lands, the Subcommittee on Forests and Forest
  Health, and the Subcommittee on Fisheries Conservation, Wildlife and
  Oceans, all subcommittees of the House Resources Committee.  The
  companion bill in the Senate (S546) passed on voice vote and some
  predicted smooth sailing through the House.  However, by letter,
  email and telephone, opponents of the bill were able to get
  sufficient information to House members on the key committees to at
  least delay the legislation.

In my early teens (several years ago) I collected a rock only
  recently confirmed by a professional paleontologist to be petrified
  bone.  Take the problem of identification, add the problem of
  ignorance of boundries of public lands, and mix in the draconian
  criminal and civil penalities of H.R. 2416, and we have a mix likely
  to cast a chill on all collecting on public lands.  For example,
  H.R. 2416 provides for forfeiture of "all vehicles and equipment of
  any person that were used in connection with the violation" (section
  11(b)).  We have such a forfeiture provision in statutes dealing
  with drug traficking, but fossil collecting?

The following is representative of letters I have sent to over 50
  House members:

Congressman (or Congresswoman) _________
U.S. House of Representatives
Washington, D. C.  20515

                                             Re: H.R. -
  "Paleontological Resources Preservation Act"

Dear Congressman (or Congresswoman) ______:

     I am writing in opposition to the captioned  bill.  I serve as
  Chair of the Conservation and Legislation Committee of the American
  Federation of Mineralogical Societies (AFMS), a national
  organization of "rockhound" clubs, representing about 50,000
  rockhounds throughout the United States.

     I offer a wager to any of your colleagues inclined to support HR
  2974.  I will bring a group of ten (10) rocks, including one
  vertebrate fossil, to any location in the National Capital area at a
  time of their choosing.  My bet is that they cannot identify the
  vertebrate fossil within a reasonable period of time.  Yet HR 2416
  would require such skill of ordinary citizens and impose draconian
  penalties in the event of failure.

     The Senate companion bill (S546) has already passed the Senate.
  Here's what Washington Watch had to say about S546:

             "Bad Bills
   S546 Anti-rockhounding bill titled the
  "Paleontological Resources Preservation Act" places severe penalties
  on recreational rockhounding, would permit only "experts" to disturb
  public land surfaces.  Allows for seizure of private vehicles,
  camping equipment and anythiing else the government wants to grab
  for even minor violations.  This bill assumes that big brother
  government has all the answers, even though some of the greatest
  discoveries of dinosaurs in pre-recorded history has been done by
  private individuals."

     Frankly, I was surprised that the forfeiture provision for
  seizure of vehicles and other property of the malfeasor (without
  right to trial ?) is also provided for in the House bill, even if
  the violation is characterized as a "civil penalty", i.e. does not
  rise to the level of a crime (misdemeanor or felony).  The
  forfeiture provision would put erring fossil collectors in the same
  peril as drug dealers.

     What else is wrong with HR 2416?  Answer: a lot.  For example,
  Section 9 "Prohibited Acts; Penalties - False Labeling Offenses"
  provides "a person may not make or submit any false record, account,
  or label for, or any false identification of any paleontological
  resource excavated or removed from Federal lands."  Pity the poor
  collector or curator, amateur or professional, who mistakes a
  Psittacosaurus bone for a Chasmosaurus bone.  Such misidentification
  can make a criminal.  Thankfully, I only collect minerals which I
  all too often misidentify.

     I also object to Section 15 of the bill entitled "Saving
  Provisions", Provision 3 which specifies that the bill does not
  apply to "amateur collecting of a rock, mineral or invertebrate or
  plant fossil that is not protected under this act."  I wish to
  specifically address the situation here in Northern Virginia where I
  have lived for over 30 years. During this time I have received
  numerous inquiries from Scout leaders as a loss as to where to take
  scouts to collect geological materials and fulfill the requirements
  for a merit badge in geology.  I have always directed them to
  Westmoreland State Park (a Commonwealth of Virginia Park) where
  fossils can be collected along the Potomac shoreline.  I personally
  have led "Indian Princess" (YMCA/YWCA) groups on such collecting
  trips along the shores of the Potomac.  On one such trip, which I
  vividly recall because my own daughter was present, every one of the
  approximately ten children found at least one fossil shark's tooth.
  Other materials collected included fossil whale bone.  The kids were
  thrilled and took their treasures into their schools for show and
  tell sessions.  Please understand that this activity would not have
  been possible if the Potomac shoreline was in a National Forest
  subject to the provisions of the legislation as proposed in the form
  of HR 2416 because all of the fossils collected by the kids on the
  trips I have described were vertebrate fossils.  I could also relate
  my own experiences as a youngster  collecting vertebrate fossils in
  creek beds but I do not wish to belabor the point.  I recognize that
  current BLM and Forest Service regulations prohibit the collecting
  of any vertebrate fossil without a permit, however I believe that
  this policy is wrong-headed and certainly should not be made
  statutory law.

     Young kids and old kids should be free to collect common
  vertebrate fossils as well as common invertebrate fossils on public
  lands.  Fossil collecting is and has been a gateway to the sciences,
  i.e. it is often one's first hands-on experience with anything
  science related.

     For the foregoing reasons I urge you to oppose H.R. 2416.



Diver Arrested in Alabama October 20, 2003

State law can also get you.  On October 20th Perry Massie, CEO of
  Outdoor Channel Holdings, and Steve Phillips, owner of a scuba
  diving school, ran afoul of a rather new Alabama law while diving
  for relics, gold, fossils and anything else old, and using a metal
  detector, in the Alabama river near Selma, Alabama.  Mr. Massie
  reports he had been diving at this same locality for 30 years and
  was ambushed by a law newly "slipped through" the Alabama
  legislature.

California Desert Protection Act

  The Needles field office of the BLM is currently in the process
  of considering management options for closure/obliteration of
  vehicle ways in twelve of the eighteen areas designated as
  wilderness under the act.  A notice dated December 23, 2003 states:
  "We welcome public participation in identifying vehicle ways in the
  proposed areas that are commonly used for wilderness compatible
  recreation."  Interested parties may contact Christi Oliver,
  Wilderness Coordinator, at 760-326-7021 or by email at
  coliver@....  Or visit their website at
  www.ca.blm.gov/needles.

Sad postcript

Charlie McPherson (age 95), the man who took me in my teen years on
  the collecting trips mentioned earlier in this column lies dying in
  Covington TN as I write this.  Charlie introduced many youngsters to
  the beauty of God's creation.  He participated in a wildflower
  society, mineral club and birdwatcher group.  We need more people
  like Charlie, but there will never be another exactly like him.
  Please remember him in your prayers.

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#647 From: bartosz01pl
Date: Wed Dec 10, 2003 5:39 pm
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I published new pictures from quarry in Opole(Odra), Poland, nice
cretaceous site. I welcome you to look at them:
http://dimmi5.w.interia.pl/bartosz01pl/index.htm

#646 From: otodus3
Date: Mon Dec 8, 2003 10:24 pm
Subject: Re: check out these teeth !
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Hi again Amy,
I can say with some certainity the teeth you have as unidentified,
appear to be terragoidal mosasaur teeth.  That is to say the inner
teeth in a mosasaur mouth towards the throat area. They were the
chewing up and demolishing teeth in an entirely seperate area from
the larger outer teeth. They are often very squat and pointed.
Sometimes they have a wicked little curve at the tip as well. Given
the sive of them I would say you got yourself a fairly large reptile.
Andy

#645 From: "Amy" <osmr2duck@...>
Date: Mon Dec 8, 2003 10:10 pm
Subject: check out these teeth !
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I have added some pictures to my Texas Fossils photo album.
   Once again, these are from the Eagle Ford Shale in Tarrant Co.,
   and again, I'd love to hear some feedback on the identity of
   these fossil teeth !
                           Thanks !  Amy

#644 From: "coprolith1" <coprolith1@...>
Date: Tue Nov 25, 2003 6:30 am
Subject: Re: Real Trilobite???
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--- In fossilsites@yahoogroups.com, erick_swearengin <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> I have a (3") Flexicalemene Retrosa Trilobite mounted
> on velvet in a wood frame that I received as a wedding gift in 1988.
> The tag says it is from Mt. Orab, Ohio and is 400 million years
> old.  How do I know if this is real or a replica?  If real, does
> anyone know where I could research the value?  Thank you for your help.
>
> (Message posted as a favor for a non-member, she will check our group
> any replies, thanks, ES)

Greetings,

Mt. Orab, Ohio is a well-known site for these trilobites.  They are plentiful
enough that there would be no reason to make reproductions.  The 3" makes for a
nice specimen, abeit not a monetarily valuable one.

Mike - Akron, Ohio

#643 From: faiyoum@...
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:52 pm
Subject: Re: [Fossil Sites] Real Trilobite???
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Contact the trilobites group at yahoo groups, submit a photo if you can, and
the group can try to see if it is real. There are a number of fossil sites
online like: Extinctions, Pangea, etc. that you can check for values. The site
listed and the name are valid for real trilobites of this type but you really
need to look at photos and compare to me sure.

Hal Ewald
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he is likely to use, and the rest he can put away in the lumber room of his
library, where he can get it if he wants it.”
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#642 From: erick_swearengin
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 8:48 pm
Subject: Real Trilobite???
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I have a (3") Flexicalemene Retrosa Trilobite mounted
on velvet in a wood frame that I received as a wedding gift in 1988.
The tag says it is from Mt. Orab, Ohio and is 400 million years
old.  How do I know if this is real or a replica?  If real, does
anyone know where I could research the value?  Thank you for your help.

(Message posted as a favor for a non-member, she will check our group
any replies, thanks, ES)

#641 From: "MJ de Beer" <mufon-sa@...>
Date: Mon Nov 24, 2003 6:02 pm
Subject: Annual notification: PaleoNews
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For technical reasons you also need to be a member of the South African Society
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#640 From: Dan Woehr <danwoehr@...>
Date: Wed Nov 19, 2003 1:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Fossil Sites] Re: Identity Crisis
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Amy

I second the vote on mosasaur.  I've found similar
stuff in the North Sulphur River, and seen similar
stuff described in books.  You found some good
material!
--- Amy <osmr2duck@...> wrote:
> --- In fossilsites@yahoogroups.com, otodus3
> <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> > Hi again Amy,
> > My best guess would be mosasaur. The tooth basals
> appear reptile.
> > However it could be a fish as well.  If you would
> post a few more
> > pictures a little closer up.
> > Andy
>
> > Hi Andy,
> > First, let me say thanks for your rapid response.
> > I really appreciate your help. Mosasaur was high
> on my list of
> > "could be's" as well. I will try some closer-upper
> images for ya.
> > I am in the process of photographing some of my
> favorite finds, so
> > you can probably expect more stuff in my album
> real soon. As usual,
> > I'll be looking for more help with
> identifications, so get ready!
> > Also, I read your Yahoo profile, and am curious to
> know what kind of
> > antique flowers you grow. If you don't mind, I'd
> like to add you to
> > my Friends list. I'd love to chat sometime!
> > Thanks again !
> > Amy
>
>


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Regards,

Daniel A. Woehr

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