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Re: [fpga-cpu] 1 Billion transitors


"Jan Gray" <jsgray@...> wrote:
> Each and every one of those transistors test out "perfectly" at the
> factory. I understand that the tester downloads a number of
> configuration bitstreams that fully exercise and cover the configuration
^^^^^
> memory, the CLBs, interconnect, etc.

Dream on... :-)

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&th=4e7ce1c83a7baa68&seekm=20010731.103308.\
1239036029.24248%40polybus.com


> (((Wacky idea: I understand that testers step over each die on the
> unsawn wafer, pressing probe wires to the die's pads, powering it up,
> and running some test circuits. I wonder, is it practical to add power,
> ground, and JTAG-like test paths, between dice, to interconnect the dice
> on the unsawn wafer and thereby test entire wafers in parallel?

But there may be flaws anywhere on the wafer; actually some parts of
the wafer are quite likely to be non-functional. Anything in a
JTAG-like chain behind some non-functional part cannot be observed...
So you have to be able to route around flaws with unpredictable
locations and with uncertain distribution. That's quite a bit more
involved than a JTAG chain.

Worse, you'll have to get functional interconnect across the entire
wafer somehow. This is tricky with a wafer stepper (i.e. most modern
fabs expose wafers only one die at a time, and aren't set up to
produce working circuits between those dies). I know it has been
done with wafer steppers, but requires alignment between the steps
and support for funny design rules; expect it to come at a cost...

- Reinoud



Tue Apr 2, 2002 10:35 pm

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That sounds impressive, 1,000,000,0000 transistors. ( 10 Billion marketing gates :) ). Did you know the PDP-8/S had 1001 transistors in marketed in 1968? Now...
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... Each and every one of those transistors test out "perfectly" at the factory. I understand that the tester downloads a number of configuration bitstreams...
Jan Gray
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... Dream on... :-) http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&th=4e7ce1c83a7baa68&seekm=20010731.103308.1239036029.24248%40polybus.com ... But there may be flaws...
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... http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&th=4e7ce1c83a7baa68&seekm=20010731 .103308.1239036029.24248%40polybus.com Thanks, great thread, which I had read, but...
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... Yeah, and Bill Gates himself claims MS products have no bugs ;-). Seriously, it seems impossible to fully test state-of-the-art chips (at reasonable ...
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Jan ... I don't know if there is anything left on the web, but in Cambridge UK, there was a company called Anamartic, since run out of venture capital. Anyway,...
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