Hi Bob and all !

Yes , I agree with You Bob !

All this is probably fraud !
If You take them , one by one , for example Perendev Power Developements PTY
Ltd , with whom Sterling Allen have on his Remaint Saints- pages....
This man at Perendew Power is associated with Sterling Allen - an I can
confirm that PERENDEV POWER and its
manager - Mr. Mike Brady is fraudlent ! We ordered one of the 6 KW motors
from him in June (PAID usd 6000 14. JUNE 2002 !), he sent an invoice which
seemed to be OK - but no Companynumber.
He ( Mike Brady /Perendev Power Dev,Pty Ltd) promised ON INVOICE delivery
time og 2 months + 2 weeks for shipping.
NOW IT IS CHRISTSMAS - AND WE STILL HAVE NO MOTOR or refund !
So we started Debt Credit after conventional 1 , 2 and third
reminder/demand !!

SO PEOPLE : WE LOST 6000,- USD AT PERENDEW POWER DEVELOPEMEN TS PTY LTD !!!
And the responcible manager is : Mike Brady, Johannesburg, South Africa !!!!

FUNNY !!!!: When we complain normal way to the South African company , Mr.
Sterling Allen , USA REPLIES !!!!
He is sending protecting emails over this bandit in South Africa , and ask
us to wait another months for a products that NEVER WILL APPEAR !! Mr.
Sterling Allen MUST BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE CRIMINAL BANDIT MIKE BRADY !

READ the beta-test contract at Perendew Power - pages NOW after our fight
with the CO:
- You answer a lot of questions , HE GIVES YOU no warrenty of product , but
worst of all
- HE GIVES YOU NO WARRENTY OF W H E N the product will be DELIVERED !!!
The money is Perendews !!! Smart Cheater !!!! So If You have a CO with
big profit !!! Perendev and Sterling Allens
associated Companies/Cheaters are the right to invest(LOOSE) money with !

Happy NEW YEAR all ! DONT WASTE YOUR INVESTMENTS AT PERENDEW OR STERLING
ALLEN ASSOCIATED COMPANIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aqua GEN AS
Torbj. H

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Dubner" <rdubner@...>
To: "free_energy" <free_energy@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: [free_energy] Tilley thoughts


> I'll add another two cent's worth to the remarks of Gary and Matthew.
>
> Without going so far as to say that Tilley's demonstration *was* a con --
I
> don't have the data to show that -- I have to say that it *looks* like a
> con, and it *sounds* like a con, and if I had to bet money on it from a
> standing start, I'd bet that it probably *is* a con.
>
> Staging a con is a lot easier than finding a gaping hole in a couple of
> hundred years of scientific theory.
>
> Confidence games, along with stage magic, tend to have certain
> characteristics. One of those is "smoke and mirrors" -- there tends to be
a
> lot of things going on that are peripheral to the main event. Look at the
> big Vegas magic shows: Showgirls in scanty costumes; bright lights;
> carniverous jungle cats. That's all designed to give you stuff to think
> about that has nothing to do with the illusion.
>
> Confidence games are also are characterized by extraneous stuff. Lee and
> Newman scream and yell about conspiracies, and try to fill the listener's
> head with roseate schemes of selling energy back to power companies and
> blah-blah-blah -- but never give you a good look at the supposed
technology.
>
> When I saw the press release about Tilley's Magic Golf Cart, I mostly just
> sighed. Okay, here we have a golf cart, running here, running there, and
a
> couple of people I've never heard of claiming to be electrical engineers
are
> saying they are "astounded". They say the golf cart wasn't out of their
> sight for two days, that doors and caps were sealed with wire. Yawn. Any
> halfway competent stage magician would be able to swap batteries, even
swap
> entire golf carts, under those conditions, without any "electrical
engineer"
> having the faintest clue he'd been scammed. Electrical engineering
> experience doesn't equip you to analyze or detect or understand stage
> illusions.
>
> It's a kind of gigantic "so what?" I don't even have any evidence that
the
> event took place -- anybody can take a couple of pictures and create a Web
> site. But even if it sorta kinda did take place the way that it did, I
> *still* don't have any information. The Golf Cart demo was too
complicated;
> there are too many opportunities for chicanery.
>
> I think I'm with Eric on this one, too -- you got a Magic Golf Cart motor?
> Let's take it out of the golf cart and attach it to a generator instead.
> Attach the generator to some number of light bulbs of some given wattage
> rating -- you specify the number so that we all agree on the load. Put
the
> assembly inside a plexiglas box and let it run those light bulbs for some
> number of hours that would be guaranteed to discharge any known kind of
> battery that would fit in the volume of your engine.
>
> I'll grant that even if somebody does that, I will be distrustful of the
> results unless I see it with my own eyes. <shrug> That's the price they
> pay for making extraordinary claims.
>
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