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#33962 From: SpaceTrooper50 <spacetrooper50@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:54 pm
Subject: Re:Commercial Flights To Use Biofuels By 2010
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Charles,
 
Cold is a natural state of environment, heat is technecally needed for most of  the living creatures on this planet.
In a different angle or degree many can view this in many different ways.
 
In my opinion "heat" contribute to global warming I agree with you"specialy if you are in the tropical zone, but if you are in Alasca the only thing that you have to wory about is the polution and the collection agency.
 
Buy the way salt water is technically an acid, it comes from the sulfurous gasses from the volcano underneat the ocean, which makes the water salty.
 
John,
 
 
 
Re: [free_energy] Commercial Flights To Use Biofuels By 2010
From:
Charles Ford <charlieford1@...> 
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John:

We cannot create alcohol from seawater alone, Alcohol requires carbon, of which seawater is almost void (except for some organisms which live there).  Also there are two ways that burning fuels provide energy. By way of explosive expansion (mechanical energy) and by way of heat. Alcohol tends to favor heat which makes it a poor fuel for use in transportation (other then steam locomotion).  Jet aircraft especially require explosive expansion to operate.

Rant follows for the Green movement >>>

I also have a little problem associating bio-fuel with the word "green".  Honestly it's more like BLACK as in LOTS of SUIT and STINK.  Although it does reduce the use of petroleum it does NOT reduce the introduction of carbon.  Also It is starting to uspset me that folks demonize CO2 and H2O (steam) for climate change and ignore all of the heat we make producing them.

I remember doing a paper back in 06 about this. When I went out the US. DOE I found some wonderful data posted on the internet for free and for everyone to paruse through.  What I found IIRC is in 2005 energy production in the US (including transportation) poured about six billion tons 6xE+9 into the air while producing aproximately one hundred quadrillion 1xE+14 BTU of energy.  The cumulative effect of introducing energy at this rate is more than enough to cause the effects we are seing. 

There is no need to cite "greenhouse effect" which has nothing to do with how a greenshoue works and alot to do with what Al Gore (who didn't do the math) tinks is causing this.  This is a case of forgetting compleately about the thermodynamics, while looking for the cause of a tempeture change.  Lets' see what Ochham's razor has to say about this one. 
  • Conjecture 'A' for 'Al Gore' burning fuels introduce steam and carbondioxide into the atmosphere, which weep into the uper atmosphere against the laws of boincy, and create a thermal barior that magically knows which way the heat is going so it can gather solar heat coming in and block earths heat going out.  
  • Conjecture 'B' for 'Back to Basics' Fire makes heat.
Duh!
   
Charles Ford
charlieford1@ yahoo.com



From: SpaceTrooper50 <spacetrooper50@ yahoo.com>
To: free_energy@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 5:52:48 AM
Subject: [free_energy] Commercial Flights To Use Biofuels By 2010

 

I think the fuel that they are going to use in the future to fuel flight is alcohol. Eventually someone will figure out' how to create alcohol from salt water.  I'm not sure if this is possible, but if you can use a lemon with other ingredients to create alcohol, this can be a possibility. I'm not a chemist any though on this one?
 
John,
 
[free_energy] Commercial Flights To Use Biofuels By 2010
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Attempts to obtain clean and green energy to save the earth could be done in order to reduce footprints carbon.The International Air Transport Association (IATA) is committed to find a biofuel in 2010 for commercial aviation and will soon be realized. Read more at http://earthalterna te.blogspot. com/ 

 




#33963 From: Michael Flora <infinet.llc@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:56 pm
Subject: Re: Steorn forum
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If you want to continue following the joys and sorrows of the Steorn
soap opera, go to the alternate forum:

http://www.moletrap.co.uk/forum

Regards,
M.R.F.
Agent 00e
Wonky was I ere I saw, y'know?

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>
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> Is no more.
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#33966 From: Keith Krasnansky <keithkras@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:51 am
Subject: Status on prototype
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So, I modified a power transformer per my previous emails.
I only reduced the primary and secondary core thicknesses to about 1/5 the center shunt thickness instead of 1/10 just because I did not think I could be that accurate with the bandsaw I was using, and I did not want to saturate the cores too quickly.  Anyway, both primary and secondary segments are wound with 18AWG magnet wire, 370 loops each.  Why 18AWG?  Why 370 loops?  I've got no idea.  Thats the heaviest gauge magnet wire I had around, and thats the largest number of loops I could fit.
 
I ordered a 100W 12VDC to 110VAC converter Which I will power from a lab supply.  The lab supply will give me a rough estimate of voltage and current, but I have meters to get more exact values.  I only intend to measure DC power to eliminate the confusion of power factors.  A 0-50K potentiometer in series with the input will limit the current on the primary coil.  As I reduce the potentiometer value from 50Kohms, I should see the output voltage increase to its saturation point.
 
I'll connect the output to a diode bridge rectifier and decouple the DC output with some 22uF caps.  A 50W load resistor will allow me to measure voltage and current at the output.  I can also use a scope to look at the AC waveforms at the input and output.
 
If this works, I will eventually be able to feed the DC output back into the input of the DC-AC converter with some power left over.  If I can get the output up to 12V DC.
 
Any suggestions? 
 
Gary, you have been surprisingly silent through all of this.  Your insights are very welcome.
 
I still need a name for this thing.
 
Keith


Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star.

#33967 From: Keith Krasnansky <keithkras@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:04 pm
Subject: variac instead of potentiometer
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So after some quick calculations, I decided the potentiometer is definitely not the way to go to vary the AC voltage to my modified transformer.  I have decided to use a variac instead.  I am really going to need a big power boost through the modified transformer in order to overcome the inefficiencies of all these other components.


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#33968 From: Keith Krasnansky <keithkras@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:49 pm
Subject: Transformer with Flux Shunt
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Yeah, OK, it won't work.  Reduction in secondary voltage matches reduction in primary current; VI(in) still = VI(out).
Rats!


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#33969 From: "Hatton Woekshop" <hattonworkshop@...>
Date: Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:46 pm
Subject: Hydrogen Workshop Announcement
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To all Members of Yahoo Group free_energy,

Come to our next monthly free Central Missouri Hydrogen Workshop in Hatton
Missouri on Saturday, November 21, 7:00 pm. in Hatton, Missouri.

Come to our free monthly workshop, Central Missouri Hydrogen Workshop in
Hatton Missouri, for building simple Hydrogen-On-Demand (HOD)
generators/boosters for gasoline/diesel motor vehicles. This fuel-boosting
device attaches to the engine and uses a chemical electrolyte and the
vehicle's alternator to split water into oxygen and hydrogen (Hydroxy Gas
hydroxy gas). The Hydroxy gas is added to the engine resulting in a leaner,
more efficient burn, to substantially boost miles per gallon on some
vehicles and cutting CO2 emissions. We welcome everyone from newcomers to
experienced HOD booster builders. Various boosters will be displayed and if
you have a booster or a boosted vehicle, feel free to bring it to share. We
can run tests on your device if you like. Coffee and snacks are provided as
we sit in a circle and informally discuss all aspects of building,
installing, configuring and problem-solving various hydrogen booster
designs. We cover individual experiences, where to get parts, how to
compensate for the vehicle's computer system, the safety and history of
hydrogen use, etc. We also discuss other alternative fuels and energy
devices, such as wind/solar or wherever the discussion leads.



Here are the driving directions:
1. From I-70 take exit #144/HATTON
2. Go North on MO-M - for  5.2 mi
3. Turn Left on STATE RD E(MO-E) - go 1.2 mi
The only church on the left in Hatton is where we usually hold the workshop.
Look for a small sign in the front yard that says the meeting is here! Park
in the parking lot; the church basement can be entered from the front or
side of the building.

#33970 From: "Jim Hardy" <JDHardy54@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:25 am
Subject: Status on prototype
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#33971 From: "garys_2k" <garys_2k@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:20 am
Subject: Re: Status on prototype
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Sorry, Keith, I've been only here part time, tho I'm enjoying reading your
updates.

--- In free_energy@yahoogroups.com, Keith Krasnansky <keithkras@...> wrote:
>
>
> So, I modified a power transformer per my previous emails.
>
> I only reduced the primary and secondary core thicknesses to about 1/5 the
center shunt thickness instead of 1/10 just because I did not think I could be
that accurate with the bandsaw I was using, and I did not want to saturate the
cores too quickly.  Anyway, both primary and secondary segments are wound with
18AWG magnet wire, 370 loops each.  Why 18AWG?  Why 370 loops?  I've got no
idea.  Thats the heaviest gauge magnet wire I had around, and thats the largest
number of loops I could fit.
>
>
>
> I ordered a 100W 12VDC to 110VAC converter Which I will power from a lab
supply.  The lab supply will give me a rough estimate of voltage and current,
but I have meters to get more exact values.  I only intend to measure DC power
to eliminate the confusion of power factors.  A 0-50K potentiometer in series
with the input will limit the current on the primary coil.  As I reduce the
potentiometer value from 50Kohms, I should see the output voltage increase to
its saturation point.
>
>
>
> I'll connect the output to a diode bridge rectifier and decouple the DC output
with some 22uF caps.  A 50W load resistor will allow me to measure voltage and
current at the output.  I can also use a scope to look at the AC waveforms at
the input and output.
>
>
>
> If this works, I will eventually be able to feed the DC output back into the
input of the DC-AC converter with some power left over.  If I can get the output
up to 12V DC.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
>
> Gary, you have been surprisingly silent through all of this.  Your insights
are very welcome.
>
>
>
> I still need a name for this thing.
>
>
>
> Keith
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star.
>
http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::\
T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009
>

#33972 From: "Mr. J" <jaemsjohn@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:38 am
Subject: Why can't this work?
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Hello -

As I have wondered before, it seems as though the trick to keep a magnet
spinning is you use your hand.
You can seem to "feel" it and adjust like those magnetic toys.

Well how is that different than an tubular array of say "magnetic emitting
diodes" or such that can have
their polarities switched or even off or arranged as pizeo electric feelers?

It seems as though magnetic field is more like a chaotic fluid. Therefore
pre-arranged mechanical methods
could not be flexible enough. One would need to throw in a bit of intelligence.
Read the information of say
the pizeo electric feelers and then adjust the other magnetic emitting diodes
via a neural net algorithm?

Does it take too much power ? Or if a magnetic motor was working it could act as
an amplifier?

Thanks
- j-

#33973 From: Keith Krasnansky <keithkras@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:59 am
Subject: RE: Re: Status on prototype
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Well, just when I thought I was finally done with all of this nonsense, I think I came up with a solution to my previous problem.  The power loss at the output equalled the power loss at the input due to the symmetry of the transformer.  My Primary-Shunt-Secondary was low reluctance - high reluctance - low reluctance with the reluctances of the primary and secondary being equal.  So I'm lying in bed trying to get some rest when I realize that I can make the power losses unequal by breaking the symmetry.  If the Pri-shunt-sec is High reluctance - low reluctance - low reluctance, then the situation changes a lot. 
 
For example, assume the primary crossectional area is 1/10 that of the shunt and secondary; shunt and secondary are equal.  The flux generated in the primary is split evenly between the shunt and the secondary.  This reduces the secondary voltage by two and the power by 4 (compared to a normal condition with no shunt).
 
Now the reverse flux caused by the secondary current (reduced by 1/2 because of split) is split between the primary and shunt with the primary only getting 10% of the reverse flux.  So the reverse flux going to the primary has been reduced to 1/2 times 1/10 = 1/20 compared to a system with no shunt.
 
So, unless I screwed up AGAIN, it looks like the secondary output power is reduced to 1/4 the normal power, while the primary only has to drive a current equal to 1/20 the normal power; giving an overall power gain of x5.
 
If anybody sees where I messed up the math, PLEASE let me know before I spend another three days making another transformer.  THis has been such a roller coaster ride.  First I think I have a working solution, then I figure out why it won't work, then I figure out a way around it, blah blah blah.  I don't know how much more of this I can take. ;-)
 

To: free_energy@yahoogroups.com
From: garys_2k@...
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:20:52 +0000
Subject: [free_energy] Re: Status on prototype

 
Sorry, Keith, I've been only here part time, tho I'm enjoying reading your updates.

--- In free_energy@yahoogroups.com, Keith Krasnansky <keithkras@...> wrote:
>
>
> So, I modified a power transformer per my previous emails.
>
> I only reduced the primary and secondary core thicknesses to about 1/5 the center shunt thickness instead of 1/10 just because I did not think I could be that accurate with the bandsaw I was using, and I did not want to saturate the cores too quickly. Anyway, both primary and secondary segments are wound with 18AWG magnet wire, 370 loops each. Why 18AWG? Why 370 loops? I've got no idea. Thats the heaviest gauge magnet wire I had around, and thats the largest number of loops I could fit.
>
>
>
> I ordered a 100W 12VDC to 110VAC converter Which I will power from a lab supply. The lab supply will give me a rough estimate of voltage and current, but I have meters to get more exact values. I only intend to measure DC power to eliminate the confusion of power factors. A 0-50K potentiometer in series with the input will limit the current on the primary coil. As I reduce the potentiometer value from 50Kohms, I should see the output voltage increase to its saturation point.
>
>
>
> I'll connect the output to a diode bridge rectifier and decouple the DC output with some 22uF caps. A 50W load resistor will allow me to measure voltage and current at the output. I can also use a scope to look at the AC waveforms at the input and output.
>
>
>
> If this works, I will eventually be able to feed the DC output back into the input of the DC-AC converter with some power left over. If I can get the output up to 12V DC.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
>
> Gary, you have been surprisingly silent through all of this. Your insights are very welcome.
>
>
>
> I still need a name for this thing.
>
>
>
> Keith
>
> __________________________________________________________
> Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star.
> http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009
>




Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more.

#33974 From: ranger116@...
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:20 pm
Subject: Re:Status on prototype -->> Jim Hardy ???
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How about it Jim? I see you sent a test email here, Are you ready to
talk now about your water powered electric generator ?
  That took up a year of my time and a small fortune in long distance
phone calls to you ?? Until you then refused to communicate for a year ?
  How about it Jim ?

#33975 From: "bud_e_ray" <geb353@...>
Date: Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:04 pm
Subject: Re: Status on prototype
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'First I think I have a working solution, then I figure out why it won't work,
then I figure out a way around it, blah blah blah.  I don't know how much more
of this I can take.'

After you've been on this list for a while you'll see that it is best to abandon
all hope as soon as possible... not to sound too discouraging or anything...I
mean, BE OPTIMISTIC - while realizing that the whole thing is utterly hopeless
and you're wasting your time and money.
Just a tip -
BuddyRay


--- In free_energy@yahoogroups.com, Keith Krasnansky <keithkras@...> wrote:
>
>
> Well, just when I thought I was finally done with all of this nonsense, I
think I came up with a solution to my previous problem.  The power loss at the
output equalled the power loss at the input due to the symmetry of the
transformer.  My Primary-Shunt-Secondary was low reluctance - high reluctance -
low reluctance with the reluctances of the primary and secondary being equal. 
So I'm lying in bed trying to get some rest when I realize that I can make the
power losses unequal by breaking the symmetry.  If the Pri-shunt-sec is High
reluctance - low reluctance - low reluctance, then the situation changes a lot.
>
>
>
> For example, assume the primary crossectional area is 1/10 that of the shunt
and secondary; shunt and secondary are equal.  The flux generated in the primary
is split evenly between the shunt and the secondary.  This reduces the secondary
voltage by two and the power by 4 (compared to a normal condition with no
shunt).
>
>
>
> Now the reverse flux caused by the secondary current (reduced by 1/2 because
of split) is split between the primary and shunt with the primary only getting
10% of the reverse flux.  So the reverse flux going to the primary has been
reduced to 1/2 times 1/10 = 1/20 compared to a system with no shunt.
>
>
>
> So, unless I screwed up AGAIN, it looks like the secondary output power is
reduced to 1/4 the normal power, while the primary only has to drive a current
equal to 1/20 the normal power; giving an overall power gain of x5.
>
>
>
> If anybody sees where I messed up the math, PLEASE let me know before I spend
another three days making another transformer.  THis has been such a roller
coaster ride.  First I think I have a working solution, then I figure out why it
won't work, then I figure out a way around it, blah blah blah.  I don't know how
much more of this I can take. ;-)
>
>
>
> To: free_energy@yahoogroups.com
> From: garys_2k@...
> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:20:52 +0000
> Subject: [free_energy] Re: Status on prototype
>
>
>
>
>
> Sorry, Keith, I've been only here part time, tho I'm enjoying reading your
updates.
>
> --- In free_energy@yahoogroups.com, Keith Krasnansky <keithkras@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > So, I modified a power transformer per my previous emails.
> >
> > I only reduced the primary and secondary core thicknesses to about 1/5 the
center shunt thickness instead of 1/10 just because I did not think I could be
that accurate with the bandsaw I was using, and I did not want to saturate the
cores too quickly. Anyway, both primary and secondary segments are wound with
18AWG magnet wire, 370 loops each. Why 18AWG? Why 370 loops? I've got no idea.
Thats the heaviest gauge magnet wire I had around, and thats the largest number
of loops I could fit.
> >
> >
> >
> > I ordered a 100W 12VDC to 110VAC converter Which I will power from a lab
supply. The lab supply will give me a rough estimate of voltage and current, but
I have meters to get more exact values. I only intend to measure DC power to
eliminate the confusion of power factors. A 0-50K potentiometer in series with
the input will limit the current on the primary coil. As I reduce the
potentiometer value from 50Kohms, I should see the output voltage increase to
its saturation point.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'll connect the output to a diode bridge rectifier and decouple the DC
output with some 22uF caps. A 50W load resistor will allow me to measure voltage
and current at the output. I can also use a scope to look at the AC waveforms at
the input and output.
> >
> >
> >
> > If this works, I will eventually be able to feed the DC output back into the
input of the DC-AC converter with some power left over. If I can get the output
up to 12V DC.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> >
> >
> > Gary, you have been surprisingly silent through all of this. Your insights
are very welcome.
> >
> >
> >
> > I still need a name for this thing.
> >
> >
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > __________________________________________________________
> > Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star.
> >
http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::\
T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more.
>
http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL\
:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009v2
>

#33976 From: SpaceTrooper50 <spacetrooper50@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:45 am
Subject: Re: Re: Status on prototype
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Not everythings is in school yet!.. this is a normal process of inventing, nothing works at the first time specially if your trying to create a free energy.
 
If you think you can" You can, if you think you can't", Your right.
 
John,


From: bud_e_ray <geb353@...>
To: free_energy@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 12:04:37 PM
Subject: [free_energy] Re: Status on prototype

 

'First I think I have a working solution, then I figure out why it won't work, then I figure out a way around it, blah blah blah. I don't know how much more of this I can take.'

After you've been on this list for a while you'll see that it is best to abandon all hope as soon as possible... not to sound too discouraging or anything...I mean, BE OPTIMISTIC - while realizing that the whole thing is utterly hopeless and you're wasting your time and money.
Just a tip -
BuddyRay


--- In free_energy@ yahoogroups. com, Keith Krasnansky <keithkras@. ..> wrote:
>
>
> Well, just when I thought I was finally done with all of this nonsense, I think I came up with a solution to my previous problem. The power loss at the output equalled the power loss at the input due to the symmetry of the transformer. My Primary-Shunt- Secondary was low reluctance - high reluctance - low reluctance with the reluctances of the primary and secondary being equal. So I'm lying in bed trying to get some rest when I realize that I can make the power losses unequal by breaking the symmetry. If the Pri-shunt-sec is High reluctance - low reluctance - low reluctance, then the situation changes a lot.
>
>
>
> For example, assume the primary crossectional area is 1/10 that of the shunt and secondary; shunt and secondary are equal. The flux generated in the primary is split evenly between the shunt and the secondary. This reduces the secondary voltage by two and the power by 4 (compared to a normal condition with no shunt).
>
>
>
> Now the reverse flux caused by the secondary current (reduced by 1/2 because of split) is split between the primary and shunt with the primary only getting 10% of the reverse flux. So the reverse flux going to the primary has been reduced to 1/2 times 1/10 = 1/20 compared to a system with no shunt.
>
>
>
> So, unless I screwed up AGAIN, it looks like the secondary output power is reduced to 1/4 the normal power, while the primary only has to drive a current equal to 1/20 the normal power; giving an overall power gain of x5.
>
>
>
> If anybody sees where I messed up the math, PLEASE let me know before I spend another three days making another transformer. THis has been such a roller coaster ride. First I think I have a working solution, then I figure out why it won't work, then I figure out a way around it, blah blah blah. I don't know how much more of this I can take. ;-)
>
>
>
> To: free_energy@ yahoogroups. com
> From: garys_2k@...
> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:20:52 +0000
> Subject: [free_energy] Re: Status on prototype
>
>
>
>
>
> Sorry, Keith, I've been only here part time, tho I'm enjoying reading your updates.
>
> --- In free_energy@ yahoogroups. com, Keith Krasnansky <keithkras@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > So, I modified a power transformer per my previous emails.
> >
> > I only reduced the primary and secondary core thicknesses to about 1/5 the center shunt thickness instead of 1/10 just because I did not think I could be that accurate with the bandsaw I was using, and I did not want to saturate the cores too quickly. Anyway, both primary and secondary segments are wound with 18AWG magnet wire, 370 loops each. Why 18AWG? Why 370 loops? I've got no idea. Thats the heaviest gauge magnet wire I had around, and thats the largest number of loops I could fit.
> >
> >
> >
> > I ordered a 100W 12VDC to 110VAC converter Which I will power from a lab supply. The lab supply will give me a rough estimate of voltage and current, but I have meters to get more exact values. I only intend to measure DC power to eliminate the confusion of power factors. A 0-50K potentiometer in series with the input will limit the current on the primary coil. As I reduce the potentiometer value from 50Kohms, I should see the output voltage increase to its saturation point.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'll connect the output to a diode bridge rectifier and decouple the DC output with some 22uF caps. A 50W load resistor will allow me to measure voltage and current at the output. I can also use a scope to look at the AC waveforms at the input and output.
> >
> >
> >
> > If this works, I will eventually be able to feed the DC output back into the input of the DC-AC converter with some power left over. If I can get the output up to 12V DC.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> >
> >
> > Gary, you have been surprisingly silent through all of this. Your insights are very welcome.
> >
> >
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#33977 From: SpaceTrooper50 <spacetrooper50@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:15 am
Subject: Re: Re: Status on prototype
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In my opinion there has to be a work done mechanically to create energy. For example" a hydraulic jack can lift a car with a little work. This is called " stratigical distribution of force"
 
Imagine if you can lift a bigger weight and slowly bring it down, mechanically attache to a generator you can create energy.
 
In technicallity the hydraulic-jack is over unity!
 
John,
 
 

 


From: SpaceTrooper50 <spacetrooper50@...>
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Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 10:45:28 PM
Subject: Re: [free_energy] Re: Status on prototype

 

Not everythings is in school yet!.. this is a normal process of inventing, nothing works at the first time specially if your trying to create a free energy.
 
If you think you can" You can, if you think you can't", Your right.
 
John,


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Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 12:04:37 PM
Subject: [free_energy] Re: Status on prototype

 

'First I think I have a working solution, then I figure out why it won't work, then I figure out a way around it, blah blah blah. I don't know how much more of this I can take.'

After you've been on this list for a while you'll see that it is best to abandon all hope as soon as possible... not to sound too discouraging or anything...I mean, BE OPTIMISTIC - while realizing that the whole thing is utterly hopeless and you're wasting your time and money.
Just a tip -
BuddyRay


--- In free_energy@ yahoogroups. com, Keith Krasnansky <keithkras@. ..> wrote:
>
>
> Well, just when I thought I was finally done with all of this nonsense, I think I came up with a solution to my previous problem. The power loss at the output equalled the power loss at the input due to the symmetry of the transformer. My Primary-Shunt- Secondary was low reluctance - high reluctance - low reluctance with the reluctances of the primary and secondary being equal. So I'm lying in bed trying to get some rest when I realize that I can make the power losses unequal by breaking the symmetry. If the Pri-shunt-sec is High reluctance - low reluctance - low reluctance, then the situation changes a lot.
>
>
>
> For example, assume the primary crossectional area is 1/10 that of the shunt and secondary; shunt and secondary are equal. The flux generated in the primary is split evenly between the shunt and the secondary. This reduces the secondary voltage by two and the power by 4 (compared to a normal condition with no shunt).
>
>
>
> Now the reverse flux caused by the secondary current (reduced by 1/2 because of split) is split between the primary and shunt with the primary only getting 10% of the reverse flux. So the reverse flux going to the primary has been reduced to 1/2 times 1/10 = 1/20 compared to a system with no shunt.
>
>
>
> So, unless I screwed up AGAIN, it looks like the secondary output power is reduced to 1/4 the normal power, while the primary only has to drive a current equal to 1/20 the normal power; giving an overall power gain of x5.
>
>
>
> If anybody sees where I messed up the math, PLEASE let me know before I spend another three days making another transformer. THis has been such a roller coaster ride. First I think I have a working solution, then I figure out why it won't work, then I figure out a way around it, blah blah blah. I don't know how much more of this I can take. ;-)
>
>
>
> To: free_energy@ yahoogroups. com
> From: garys_2k@...
> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:20:52 +0000
> Subject: [free_energy] Re: Status on prototype
>
>
>
>
>
> Sorry, Keith, I've been only here part time, tho I'm enjoying reading your updates.
>
> --- In free_energy@ yahoogroups. com, Keith Krasnansky <keithkras@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > So, I modified a power transformer per my previous emails.
> >
> > I only reduced the primary and secondary core thicknesses to about 1/5 the center shunt thickness instead of 1/10 just because I did not think I could be that accurate with the bandsaw I was using, and I did not want to saturate the cores too quickly. Anyway, both primary and secondary segments are wound with 18AWG magnet wire, 370 loops each. Why 18AWG? Why 370 loops? I've got no idea. Thats the heaviest gauge magnet wire I had around, and thats the largest number of loops I could fit.
> >
> >
> >
> > I ordered a 100W 12VDC to 110VAC converter Which I will power from a lab supply. The lab supply will give me a rough estimate of voltage and current, but I have meters to get more exact values. I only intend to measure DC power to eliminate the confusion of power factors. A 0-50K potentiometer in series with the input will limit the current on the primary coil. As I reduce the potentiometer value from 50Kohms, I should see the output voltage increase to its saturation point.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'll connect the output to a diode bridge rectifier and decouple the DC output with some 22uF caps. A 50W load resistor will allow me to measure voltage and current at the output. I can also use a scope to look at the AC waveforms at the input and output.
> >
> >
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> > If this works, I will eventually be able to feed the DC output back into the input of the DC-AC converter with some power left over. If I can get the output up to 12V DC.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> >
> >
> > Gary, you have been surprisingly silent through all of this. Your insights are very welcome.
> >
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> >
> > I still need a name for this thing.
> >
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> >
> > Keith
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
> > Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star.
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#33978 From: Keith Krasnansky <keithkras@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:44 pm
Subject: upon further reflection
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I believe I have been suffering from a misconception about how transformers work. 
The primary uses a small magnetizing current to create a changing flux in the core.  THis changing flux creates a back-EMF on the primary that opposes the primary voltage being driven onto the winding and creates an EMF on the secondary winding.  Any current on the secondary winding will oppose the changing flux in the core.  Without the primary driving more current to maintain the core flux, the EMFs on the primary and secondary would collapse.  So, in my architecture, the reverse flux on the secondary would not be overcome by an adequate level of flux from the primary and the secondary voltage would collapse.
 
 


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#33979 From: "maximumbrainpower" <maximumbrainpower@...>
Date: Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:19 pm
Subject: What about the Earth's Magnetic Field motor generators?
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During the early-to-mid-1990s, there was a website called
www.magneticenergy.com, which publuished some beautiful generators and
appliances based on magnetism. There were a couple of motors which depended on
the earth's magnetic field. One of them gave an output of 48HP (i.e 36KW).

The principle required that a number of magnets (I believe they were
AlNiC)magnets)were oriented in a particular way on a hub frame thingy, and it
had to be oriented with the earth's Magnetic Field.
It was then to be rotated up to a particular speed for like 45secs.
When released, it would continue on  its own indefinitely (until the magnets
degaussed- in a matter of months?).

My only copies of these plans (there was a Cold Fusion device among them- using
Hydrogen Peroxide,) were lost when my hard drive crashed, and my only hard
copies were basically stolen from me by a scientist in my university whom I
showed them to, who did not tell me he would be leaving for South Africa, and
taking them along.

The website closed, inviting sponsors, and I have never seen that technology
again. Have any of you?

#33980 From: Keith Krasnansky <keithkras@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:01 pm
Subject: new architecture with multiple secondary windings
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OK, I know I have said this before, but now I think I really have got something.
Consider a transformer with one primary and multiple secondaries.
The path (and reluctance) between any of the windings should be as similar as possible to each other.
For instance, a cross geometry (looking down from top) where every winding is on a horseshoe leg and all the open ends of the horseshoes come together at a central point (all top ends together at one point; all bottom ends together at other point).  Now, let's consider what happens.
The flux from the primary is split into three equal paths, so each secondary receives 1/3 the flux.  So, each secondary creates 1/3 the voltage of a secondary in a typical transformer with one primary and one secondary.
However, the outputs of the three secondaries may be connected in series to create the normal output.
When a load is placed on the output and a current flows through the secondaries, a reverse flux develops in each of the secondaries.  Now here's the secret sauce:
The reverse flux from each secondary will NOT all flow back to the primary.  Due to the symmetry, 1/3 of the reverse flux will flow into the primary, and 2/3 of the reverse flux will flow into the other two secondaries (1/3 into each secondary).  So 2/3 of the reverse flux from each secondary is used to reduce the reverse flux in the other secondaries.  These reverse fluxes will partially cancel each other out. 
So, the original 1/3 flux into a secondary creates a reverse flux of which 1/3 goes back to the primary.  So, each secondary sends back 1/9 the reverse flux that would be in a 'normal' transformer.  3x 1/9 = 1/3.  So the primary only experiences 1/3 of the normal reverse flux while the output remains at full power, giving us a 300% efficiency.  THis effect is further multiplied with more secondaries in the system.
 
THis architecture reminds me of a reproduced news article of a guy that created a free energy generator years ago and proved it by using it to power a boat motor all day in some harbor.  THe picture of the device showed what looked like a bunch of cyllinders all arranged in a circle with arms going from each cyllinder to the center.  If each cyllinder was a winding, this device could have operated on the same principle.
 
So, back to work.  Now I have to order more power transformers, hack them up and connect them together to make a Franken-transfomer.  Does anyone know where I can buy power transformers cheap?
 
Keith
 
 


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#33981 From: "waynegage2000" <waynegage@...>
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:35 pm
Subject: Re: new architecture with multiple secondary windings
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You are on a path to self electrocution without any benefit.
Transformers are well understood.

--- In free_energy@yahoogroups.com, Keith Krasnansky <keithkras@...> wrote:
>
>
> OK, I know I have said this before, but now I think I really have got
something.
>
> Consider a transformer with one primary and multiple secondaries.
>
> The path (and reluctance) between any of the windings should be as similar as
possible to each other.
>
> For instance, a cross geometry (looking down from top) where every winding is
on a horseshoe leg and all the open ends of the horseshoes come together at a
central point (all top ends together at one point; all bottom ends together at
other point).  Now, let's consider what happens.
>
> The flux from the primary is split into three equal paths, so each secondary
receives 1/3 the flux.  So, each secondary creates 1/3 the voltage of a
secondary in a typical transformer with one primary and one secondary.
>
> However, the outputs of the three secondaries may be connected in series to
create the normal output.
>
> When a load is placed on the output and a current flows through the
secondaries, a reverse flux develops in each of the secondaries.  Now here's the
secret sauce:
>
> The reverse flux from each secondary will NOT all flow back to the primary. 
Due to the symmetry, 1/3 of the reverse flux will flow into the primary, and 2/3
of the reverse flux will flow into the other two secondaries (1/3 into each
secondary).  So 2/3 of the reverse flux from each secondary is used to reduce
the reverse flux in the other secondaries.  These reverse fluxes will partially
cancel each other out.
>
> So, the original 1/3 flux into a secondary creates a reverse flux of which 1/3
goes back to the primary.  So, each secondary sends back 1/9 the reverse flux
that would be in a 'normal' transformer.  3x 1/9 = 1/3.  So the primary only
experiences 1/3 of the normal reverse flux while the output remains at full
power, giving us a 300% efficiency.  THis effect is further multiplied with more
secondaries in the system.
>
>
>
> THis architecture reminds me of a reproduced news article of a guy that
created a free energy generator years ago and proved it by using it to power a
boat motor all day in some harbor.  THe picture of the device showed what looked
like a bunch of cyllinders all arranged in a circle with arms going from each
cyllinder to the center.  If each cyllinder was a winding, this device could
have operated on the same principle.
>
>
>
> So, back to work.  Now I have to order more power transformers, hack them up
and connect them together to make a Franken-transfomer.  Does anyone know where
I can buy power transformers cheap?
>
>
>
> Keith
>
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more.
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#33982 From: "abelov0927" <abelov0927@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:23 am
Subject: One more thing. A historical example to necessary to make a natural experiment.
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One more thing.
A historical example to necessary to make a natural experiment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei

"A biography by Galileo's pupil Vincenzo Viviani stated that Galileo had dropped
balls of the same material, but different masses, from the Leaning Tower of Pisa
to demonstrate that their time of descent was independent of their mass. This
was contrary to what Aristotle had taught: that heavy objects fall faster than
lighter ones, in direct proportion to weight. While this story has been retold
in popular accounts, there is no account by Galileo himself of such an
experiment, and it is generally accepted by historians that it was at most a
thought experiment which did not actually take place."

I did mostly a same thing. I made a test of classical mechanics laws :)
http://knol.google.com/k/paradox-of-classical-mechanics-2#

#33983 From: SpaceTrooper50 <spacetrooper50@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:45 am
Subject: Re: Re: new architecture with multiple secondary windings
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In my understanding you will end-up using more power than you would create base on this design.
You're concept is almost like a power supply that can be plug-in to a 110v ,15A  supply current.
But this device will put out over 20 amps of power or more.
 
Maybe with silicon technology in the future.
 
John,
 

 


#33984 From: "bud_e_ray" <geb353@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:34 pm
Subject: Re: new architecture with multiple secondary windings
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---"wayne gage"  wrote:

  You are on a path to self electrocution without any benefit.
  Transformers are well understood.
--------------------------------------------------
Not by everyone, apparently...
<grins>
BuddyRay

#33985 From: Keith Krasnansky <keithkras@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:06 pm
Subject: RE: Re: new architecture with multiple secondary windings
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Hey!  If I had any feelings, they would be hurting right now! 
 
I've been working out the numbers, and it still looks pretty good.  I'll upload the final analysis after I have added some pictures. 
 
Keith
 

To: free_energy@yahoogroups.com
From: geb353@...
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:34:18 +0000
Subject: [free_energy] Re: new architecture with multiple secondary windings

 


---"wayne gage" wrote:

You are on a path to self electrocution without any benefit.
Transformers are well understood.
--------------------------------------------------
Not by everyone, apparently...
<grins>
BuddyRay




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#33986 From: "bud_e_ray" <geb353@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:57 pm
Subject: Re: new architecture with multiple secondary windings
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I'm just being a smart-aleck, Keith.
Be careful and have fun, don't let sarcastic stick-in-the-muds like me
discourage you.
You may not discover free energy but you might discover something else very
interesting.
cheers ----
BuddyRay

--- In free_energy@yahoogroups.com, Keith Krasnansky <keithkras@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hey!  If I had any feelings, they would be hurting right now!
>
>
>
> I've been working out the numbers, and it still looks pretty good.  I'll
upload the final analysis after I have added some pictures.
>
>
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> To: free_energy@yahoogroups.com
> From: geb353@...
> Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:34:18 +0000
> Subject: [free_energy] Re: new architecture with multiple secondary windings
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---"wayne gage" wrote:
>
> You are on a path to self electrocution without any benefit.
> Transformers are well understood.
> --------------------------------------------------
> Not by everyone, apparently...
> <grins>
> BuddyRay
>
>
>
>
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#33987 From: "jengsett" <jengsett@...>
Date: Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:22 am
Subject: Novacell Portable Solar Charger,Recharge Eveywhere
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#33988 From: free_energy@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:24 pm
Subject: New file uploaded to free_energy
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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the free_energy
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#33989 From: "Joe mijdtr" <joeokforme@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:33 pm
Subject: my hho experience
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heat and volume, hoping to get modulation to control. i think it can be a hho
only system to power an auto.  i got good flame out of my torch being hard wired
(brute force) to 12 v dc.
it is said that hydrogen could be hot enough to burn necular waste. i sure hope
so.

right now i am liking tesla findings.  TheGuru2You has a circuit that i am
liking very much and will be my next effort at replication.

u tube vid:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCY7tYDjXhI

#33990 From: "Joe mijdtr" <joeokforme@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:39 pm
Subject: simple free energy O U ?
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here is a good video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_43fb2Kf3M&feature=fvw

magnet motor with spring activated ?oscillator?  tell me what it is called
peace, love, live ans let live, and out,
joe

#33991 From: "Joe mijdtr" <joeokforme@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:33 pm
Subject: my hho experience
joeokforme
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heat and volume, hoping to get modulation to control. i think it can be a hho
only system to power an auto.  i got good flame out of my torch being hard wired
(brute force) to 12 v dc.
it is said that hydrogen could be hot enough to burn necular waste. i sure hope
so.

right now i am liking tesla findings.  TheGuru2You has a circuit that i am
liking very much and will be my next effort at replication.

u tube vid:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCY7tYDjXhI

#33992 From: "Craig Johnson" <cjohnson@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:02 pm
Subject: RE: simple free energy O U ?
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El grande de toro caliante shite. Why is the main rotor made from opaque plastic?

Peace Out!  

 

From: free_energy@yahoogroups.com [mailto:free_energy@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe mijdtr
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 1:39 PM
To: free_energy@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [free_energy] simple free energy O U ?

 

 

here is a good video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_43fb2Kf3M&feature=fvw

magnet motor with spring activated ?oscillator? tell me what it is called
peace, love, live ans let live, and out,
joe


#33993 From: "JeffC" <antidyne@...>
Date: Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:03 pm
Subject: Einstein was mistaken...
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Hi, All.

Couple of updates to www.JeffreyNCook.com.

Instead of trying to dig through Einstein's ideas to find out why he thought
nothing could travel faster than the Speed of Light, I have presented in the New
Electrogravity Theory how breaching c is no different than surpassing the Speed
of Sound.  Instead of using air pressure in terms of sound, I have presented
charge pressure.  Instead of the Speed of Sound I have used the Speed of Light.

Please feel free to read up time permitting these latest updates to the NET. 
It's really rather straight-forward and obvious.

http://www.jeffreyncook.com/jeff%20cook%20updates.htm

Now, not to bash Einstein in the least.  He did not live to see humankind fly
faster than the speed of sound and he didn't live to follow the aerodynamic
studies to date.  You, however, are alive to see it.  Don't gloss over it.  What
a waste!

My best,

Jeff

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