If you want to continue following the joys and sorrows of the Steorn
soap opera, go to the alternate forum:

http://www.moletrap.co.uk/forum

Regards,
M.R.F.
Agent 00e
Wonky was I ere I saw, y'know?

waynegage2000 wrote:
>
>
>
> Is no more.
>

To all Members of Yahoo Group free_energy,

Come to our next monthly free Central Missouri Hydrogen Workshop in Hatton
Missouri on Saturday, November 21, 7:00 pm. in Hatton, Missouri.

Come to our free monthly workshop, Central Missouri Hydrogen Workshop in
Hatton Missouri, for building simple Hydrogen-On-Demand (HOD)
generators/boosters for gasoline/diesel motor vehicles. This fuel-boosting
device attaches to the engine and uses a chemical electrolyte and the
vehicle's alternator to split water into oxygen and hydrogen (Hydroxy Gas
hydroxy gas). The Hydroxy gas is added to the engine resulting in a leaner,
more efficient burn, to substantially boost miles per gallon on some
vehicles and cutting CO2 emissions. We welcome everyone from newcomers to
experienced HOD booster builders. Various boosters will be displayed and if
you have a booster or a boosted vehicle, feel free to bring it to share. We
can run tests on your device if you like. Coffee and snacks are provided as
we sit in a circle and informally discuss all aspects of building,
installing, configuring and problem-solving various hydrogen booster
designs. We cover individual experiences, where to get parts, how to
compensate for the vehicle's computer system, the safety and history of
hydrogen use, etc. We also discuss other alternative fuels and energy
devices, such as wind/solar or wherever the discussion leads.



Here are the driving directions:
1. From I-70 take exit #144/HATTON
2. Go North on MO-M - for  5.2 mi
3. Turn Left on STATE RD E(MO-E) - go 1.2 mi
The only church on the left in Hatton is where we usually hold the workshop.
Look for a small sign in the front yard that says the meeting is here! Park
in the parking lot; the church basement can be entered from the front or
side of the building.

Sorry, Keith, I've been only here part time, tho I'm enjoying reading your
updates.

--- In free_energy@yahoogroups.com, Keith Krasnansky <keithkras@...> wrote:
>
>
> So, I modified a power transformer per my previous emails.
>
> I only reduced the primary and secondary core thicknesses to about 1/5 the
center shunt thickness instead of 1/10 just because I did not think I could be
that accurate with the bandsaw I was using, and I did not want to saturate the
cores too quickly.  Anyway, both primary and secondary segments are wound with
18AWG magnet wire, 370 loops each.  Why 18AWG?  Why 370 loops?  I've got no
idea.  Thats the heaviest gauge magnet wire I had around, and thats the largest
number of loops I could fit.
>
>
>
> I ordered a 100W 12VDC to 110VAC converter Which I will power from a lab
supply.  The lab supply will give me a rough estimate of voltage and current,
but I have meters to get more exact values.  I only intend to measure DC power
to eliminate the confusion of power factors.  A 0-50K potentiometer in series
with the input will limit the current on the primary coil.  As I reduce the
potentiometer value from 50Kohms, I should see the output voltage increase to
its saturation point.
>
>
>
> I'll connect the output to a diode bridge rectifier and decouple the DC output
with some 22uF caps.  A 50W load resistor will allow me to measure voltage and
current at the output.  I can also use a scope to look at the AC waveforms at
the input and output.
>
>
>
> If this works, I will eventually be able to feed the DC output back into the
input of the DC-AC converter with some power left over.  If I can get the output
up to 12V DC.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
>
> Gary, you have been surprisingly silent through all of this.  Your insights
are very welcome.
>
>
>
> I still need a name for this thing.
>
>
>
> Keith
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star.
>
http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::\
T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009
>

Hello -

As I have wondered before, it seems as though the trick to keep a magnet
spinning is you use your hand.
You can seem to "feel" it and adjust like those magnetic toys.

Well how is that different than an tubular array of say "magnetic emitting
diodes" or such that can have
their polarities switched or even off or arranged as pizeo electric feelers?

It seems as though magnetic field is more like a chaotic fluid. Therefore
pre-arranged mechanical methods
could not be flexible enough. One would need to throw in a bit of intelligence.
Read the information of say
the pizeo electric feelers and then adjust the other magnetic emitting diodes
via a neural net algorithm?

Does it take too much power ? Or if a magnetic motor was working it could act as
an amplifier?

Thanks
- j-

How about it Jim? I see you sent a test email here, Are you ready to
talk now about your water powered electric generator ?
  That took up a year of my time and a small fortune in long distance
phone calls to you ?? Until you then refused to communicate for a year ?
  How about it Jim ?

'First I think I have a working solution, then I figure out why it won't work,
then I figure out a way around it, blah blah blah.  I don't know how much more
of this I can take.'

After you've been on this list for a while you'll see that it is best to abandon
all hope as soon as possible... not to sound too discouraging or anything...I
mean, BE OPTIMISTIC - while realizing that the whole thing is utterly hopeless
and you're wasting your time and money.
Just a tip -
BuddyRay


--- In free_energy@yahoogroups.com, Keith Krasnansky <keithkras@...> wrote:
>
>
> Well, just when I thought I was finally done with all of this nonsense, I
think I came up with a solution to my previous problem.  The power loss at the
output equalled the power loss at the input due to the symmetry of the
transformer.  My Primary-Shunt-Secondary was low reluctance - high reluctance -
low reluctance with the reluctances of the primary and secondary being equal. 
So I'm lying in bed trying to get some rest when I realize that I can make the
power losses unequal by breaking the symmetry.  If the Pri-shunt-sec is High
reluctance - low reluctance - low reluctance, then the situation changes a lot.
>
>
>
> For example, assume the primary crossectional area is 1/10 that of the shunt
and secondary; shunt and secondary are equal.  The flux generated in the primary
is split evenly between the shunt and the secondary.  This reduces the secondary
voltage by two and the power by 4 (compared to a normal condition with no
shunt).
>
>
>
> Now the reverse flux caused by the secondary current (reduced by 1/2 because
of split) is split between the primary and shunt with the primary only getting
10% of the reverse flux.  So the reverse flux going to the primary has been
reduced to 1/2 times 1/10 = 1/20 compared to a system with no shunt.
>
>
>
> So, unless I screwed up AGAIN, it looks like the secondary output power is
reduced to 1/4 the normal power, while the primary only has to drive a current
equal to 1/20 the normal power; giving an overall power gain of x5.
>
>
>
> If anybody sees where I messed up the math, PLEASE let me know before I spend
another three days making another transformer.  THis has been such a roller
coaster ride.  First I think I have a working solution, then I figure out why it
won't work, then I figure out a way around it, blah blah blah.  I don't know how
much more of this I can take. ;-)
>
>
>
> To: free_energy@yahoogroups.com
> From: garys_2k@...
> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:20:52 +0000
> Subject: [free_energy] Re: Status on prototype
>
>
>
>
>
> Sorry, Keith, I've been only here part time, tho I'm enjoying reading your
updates.
>
> --- In free_energy@yahoogroups.com, Keith Krasnansky <keithkras@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > So, I modified a power transformer per my previous emails.
> >
> > I only reduced the primary and secondary core thicknesses to about 1/5 the
center shunt thickness instead of 1/10 just because I did not think I could be
that accurate with the bandsaw I was using, and I did not want to saturate the
cores too quickly. Anyway, both primary and secondary segments are wound with
18AWG magnet wire, 370 loops each. Why 18AWG? Why 370 loops? I've got no idea.
Thats the heaviest gauge magnet wire I had around, and thats the largest number
of loops I could fit.
> >
> >
> >
> > I ordered a 100W 12VDC to 110VAC converter Which I will power from a lab
supply. The lab supply will give me a rough estimate of voltage and current, but
I have meters to get more exact values. I only intend to measure DC power to
eliminate the confusion of power factors. A 0-50K potentiometer in series with
the input will limit the current on the primary coil. As I reduce the
potentiometer value from 50Kohms, I should see the output voltage increase to
its saturation point.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'll connect the output to a diode bridge rectifier and decouple the DC
output with some 22uF caps. A 50W load resistor will allow me to measure voltage
and current at the output. I can also use a scope to look at the AC waveforms at
the input and output.
> >
> >
> >
> > If this works, I will eventually be able to feed the DC output back into the
input of the DC-AC converter with some power left over. If I can get the output
up to 12V DC.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> >
> >
> > Gary, you have been surprisingly silent through all of this. Your insights
are very welcome.
> >
> >
> >
> > I still need a name for this thing.
> >
> >
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > __________________________________________________________
> > Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star.
> >
http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::\
T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more.
>
http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL\
:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009v2
>

During the early-to-mid-1990s, there was a website called
www.magneticenergy.com, which publuished some beautiful generators and
appliances based on magnetism. There were a couple of motors which depended on
the earth's magnetic field. One of them gave an output of 48HP (i.e 36KW).

The principle required that a number of magnets (I believe they were
AlNiC)magnets)were oriented in a particular way on a hub frame thingy, and it
had to be oriented with the earth's Magnetic Field.
It was then to be rotated up to a particular speed for like 45secs.
When released, it would continue on  its own indefinitely (until the magnets
degaussed- in a matter of months?).

My only copies of these plans (there was a Cold Fusion device among them- using
Hydrogen Peroxide,) were lost when my hard drive crashed, and my only hard
copies were basically stolen from me by a scientist in my university whom I
showed them to, who did not tell me he would be leaving for South Africa, and
taking them along.

The website closed, inviting sponsors, and I have never seen that technology
again. Have any of you?

You are on a path to self electrocution without any benefit.
Transformers are well understood.

--- In free_energy@yahoogroups.com, Keith Krasnansky <keithkras@...> wrote:
>
>
> OK, I know I have said this before, but now I think I really have got
something.
>
> Consider a transformer with one primary and multiple secondaries.
>
> The path (and reluctance) between any of the windings should be as similar as
possible to each other.
>
> For instance, a cross geometry (looking down from top) where every winding is
on a horseshoe leg and all the open ends of the horseshoes come together at a
central point (all top ends together at one point; all bottom ends together at
other point).  Now, let's consider what happens.
>
> The flux from the primary is split into three equal paths, so each secondary
receives 1/3 the flux.  So, each secondary creates 1/3 the voltage of a
secondary in a typical transformer with one primary and one secondary.
>
> However, the outputs of the three secondaries may be connected in series to
create the normal output.
>
> When a load is placed on the output and a current flows through the
secondaries, a reverse flux develops in each of the secondaries.  Now here's the
secret sauce:
>
> The reverse flux from each secondary will NOT all flow back to the primary. 
Due to the symmetry, 1/3 of the reverse flux will flow into the primary, and 2/3
of the reverse flux will flow into the other two secondaries (1/3 into each
secondary).  So 2/3 of the reverse flux from each secondary is used to reduce
the reverse flux in the other secondaries.  These reverse fluxes will partially
cancel each other out.
>
> So, the original 1/3 flux into a secondary creates a reverse flux of which 1/3
goes back to the primary.  So, each secondary sends back 1/9 the reverse flux
that would be in a 'normal' transformer.  3x 1/9 = 1/3.  So the primary only
experiences 1/3 of the normal reverse flux while the output remains at full
power, giving us a 300% efficiency.  THis effect is further multiplied with more
secondaries in the system.
>
>
>
> THis architecture reminds me of a reproduced news article of a guy that
created a free energy generator years ago and proved it by using it to power a
boat motor all day in some harbor.  THe picture of the device showed what looked
like a bunch of cyllinders all arranged in a circle with arms going from each
cyllinder to the center.  If each cyllinder was a winding, this device could
have operated on the same principle.
>
>
>
> So, back to work.  Now I have to order more power transformers, hack them up
and connect them together to make a Franken-transfomer.  Does anyone know where
I can buy power transformers cheap?
>
>
>
> Keith
>
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more.
>
http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL\
:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009v2
>

One more thing.
A historical example to necessary to make a natural experiment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei

"A biography by Galileo's pupil Vincenzo Viviani stated that Galileo had dropped
balls of the same material, but different masses, from the Leaning Tower of Pisa
to demonstrate that their time of descent was independent of their mass. This
was contrary to what Aristotle had taught: that heavy objects fall faster than
lighter ones, in direct proportion to weight. While this story has been retold
in popular accounts, there is no account by Galileo himself of such an
experiment, and it is generally accepted by historians that it was at most a
thought experiment which did not actually take place."

I did mostly a same thing. I made a test of classical mechanics laws :)
http://knol.google.com/k/paradox-of-classical-mechanics-2#

---"wayne gage"  wrote:

  You are on a path to self electrocution without any benefit.
  Transformers are well understood.
--------------------------------------------------
Not by everyone, apparently...
<grins>
BuddyRay

I'm just being a smart-aleck, Keith.
Be careful and have fun, don't let sarcastic stick-in-the-muds like me
discourage you.
You may not discover free energy but you might discover something else very
interesting.
cheers ----
BuddyRay

--- In free_energy@yahoogroups.com, Keith Krasnansky <keithkras@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hey!  If I had any feelings, they would be hurting right now!
>
>
>
> I've been working out the numbers, and it still looks pretty good.  I'll
upload the final analysis after I have added some pictures.
>
>
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> To: free_energy@yahoogroups.com
> From: geb353@...
> Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:34:18 +0000
> Subject: [free_energy] Re: new architecture with multiple secondary windings
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---"wayne gage" wrote:
>
> You are on a path to self electrocution without any benefit.
> Transformers are well understood.
> --------------------------------------------------
> Not by everyone, apparently...
> <grins>
> BuddyRay
>
>
>
>
>
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heat and volume, hoping to get modulation to control. i think it can be a hho
only system to power an auto.  i got good flame out of my torch being hard wired
(brute force) to 12 v dc.
it is said that hydrogen could be hot enough to burn necular waste. i sure hope
so.

right now i am liking tesla findings.  TheGuru2You has a circuit that i am
liking very much and will be my next effort at replication.

u tube vid:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCY7tYDjXhI

here is a good video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_43fb2Kf3M&feature=fvw

magnet motor with spring activated ?oscillator?  tell me what it is called
peace, love, live ans let live, and out,
joe

heat and volume, hoping to get modulation to control. i think it can be a hho
only system to power an auto.  i got good flame out of my torch being hard wired
(brute force) to 12 v dc.
it is said that hydrogen could be hot enough to burn necular waste. i sure hope
so.

right now i am liking tesla findings.  TheGuru2You has a circuit that i am
liking very much and will be my next effort at replication.

u tube vid:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCY7tYDjXhI

Hi, All.

Couple of updates to www.JeffreyNCook.com.

Instead of trying to dig through Einstein's ideas to find out why he thought
nothing could travel faster than the Speed of Light, I have presented in the New
Electrogravity Theory how breaching c is no different than surpassing the Speed
of Sound.  Instead of using air pressure in terms of sound, I have presented
charge pressure.  Instead of the Speed of Sound I have used the Speed of Light.

Please feel free to read up time permitting these latest updates to the NET. 
It's really rather straight-forward and obvious.

http://www.jeffreyncook.com/jeff%20cook%20updates.htm

Now, not to bash Einstein in the least.  He did not live to see humankind fly
faster than the speed of sound and he didn't live to follow the aerodynamic
studies to date.  You, however, are alive to see it.  Don't gloss over it.  What
a waste!

My best,

Jeff